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I think Vaughn is going to grow into considerable power as he approaches thirty. The guy he reminds me of is Harmon Killebrew, if he just bulked up a little. Killebrew wasn’t particularly tall either. Their bodies and swings are damn near identical

Amazingly, MLB trade rumors actually projects Manaea at a higher and longer contract than Q. That makes no sense to me, but they were projecting Q at 22/2 compared to 54/4 for Manaea. Obviously those numbers are low when Boyd is getting 10/1, at least for Q. I was thinking he’d get something like 45/3

He only used it and the curveball against LH hitters though. He was strictly fast ball -slider against righties. I’d imagine he’d use the curve more as a starter against righties, but that was his best pitch when he first came up, so…it’s a debatable proposition at least

Manaea has also been buoyed by pitching in Oakland. His away stats are significantly worse whereas Q’s are nearly identical to home. Q is 26.5 career WAR pitcher coming off 3.5 season, Manaea is 11.5 career coming off negative WAR season. Q over Manaea should be a no brainer. Of course he would cost more

Yeah because he’s nowhere close to Quintana. Quintana has had consistently solid hr numbers aside from ‘21 in which he only pitched 63 innings. So even a regression would mean above average. 0.9 Hr/9 over entire career.

Although there’s a good chance that he breaks down, that looks like a more favorable deal for the Sox than straight up 1/12. Maybe they can acquire another SP to hedge the bet

Problem with Nimmo is that he is chronically injury prone and contract would taken him into his mid to late 30s, whereas we would have Reynolds in prime 28-30 seasons.

Still, seems like there would be room for all of them. I’d guess they’d want an MLB starting pitcher back

If Quintana is fully healthy it could go either way. The dude can obviously pitch. You don’t just luck your way into that kind of HR rate over a full season, and he had a good walk rate to go along with it. At any rate, I’d take Q all day over Manaea at least

The white sox are rumored to be flapping in the wind

I’m not sure why the Dbacks would be shopping Thomas or Varsho, but either of those guys would fit the bill.

I’m not sure Quintana is a clear downgrade at this point. He outpitched him by a mile last year. Sub 3 ERA and FIP, led league in hr/9. Eight home runs in 163 IP is incredible these days. Not to mention Gio’s pending free agency at which point Sox get nothing but a chance to offer QO, which, if he were to pitch like last year, would be inadvisable

I’m not advocating a trade of Gio, but is moving Reynaldo back to the rotation a possible consideration?

The pirates could sign Judge and they’d still be dog s%*#. Adding Santana isn’t going to do squat for that team

This is the only counter argument that I agree with.

The mean would have been his 4.5 war rookie season. Again his offensive WAR last year was around 4.5, but he was dinged for defense in center when should be in a corner and would be with the Sox. I don’t know what happened in 2020 but I imagine over a full season he would have rebounded.

And Santiago was acquired with a 30th round draft pick. Perhaps the most lucrative 30th rd pick ever made.

Sox turned Hector Santiago, via Eaton, into Gio, Lopez and Lynn(via Dunning). You’d think a front office that could pull that kind of trick would be world beaters

There was no fourth player in the Eaton trade. It was Gio, Lopey and Dunning.

True. You could pay for 2/3 of a beer at the ballpark for that kind of money and let blackrock cover the twitter expense instead of users while deciding what kind of information you are allowed to receive and impart

2022 sucked, but it’s time for the Sox to either go all in or fold. He’s controlled for three years, if you’re more worried about four years from now then rebuild. The next three years is the window with the current core

Leave out the gravemen for a prospect then

For one thing, he was a six WAR player in ‘21 at age 26. For another his WAR was depressed by playing center when he should be playing a corner. His offensive WAR was like 4.5 last year. Odds are his best seasons are ahead of him still. He’s controllable for three seasons. I guess if you want to ensure the Sox remain an 85 win team four years from now we should keep those prospects

I don’t see any FA OFers other than Judge I’d rather have than Reynolds though

Organizations don’t go by baseball prospectus rankings in evaluating players though. Does Busch have a brighter future than Montgomery? I’m not convinced