NO!!MARY!!!

Charlie Finley was long gone by 1988. I believe you are thinking of 1975. He was going to move the A’s to Chicago had the Sox moved to Seattle.

That’s a myth.

No!!! Don’t you dare spoil the pity party!

This thread title wins the “Dumbest Thread Title In the History of the Internet” award.

This is true. I read, I believe in an interview of Mike Veeck, that the second game COULD have been played. Order had been restored and the field was clear. The umpires called it off because they were spooked by the events of the first game and the riot. It was the Tigers who felt that they shouldn't have to make up the game, as it wasn't an "Act of God" that caused the postponement, but rather was the White Sox's fault.

WSI isn’t completely down. I am able to access the forums and my blog, but not the main page

QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Jun 17, 2009 -> 12:07 AM) I remember watching Steve Garvey hitting the ball through Durham's legs. I remember my parents laughing at it too. It was actually Tim Flanerry who hit the fateful ground ball that fatefully went through Durham's fateful legs.

Ya know, in my haste to put up my last post, I forgot to include "road not taken" deals. In other words, worst deals that the White Sox did NOT make: Dave Nicholson for Rocky Colavito-Rock was offered to the Sox even up for Nicholson before the 1964 season, when they could've used him. Ed Short turned it down. Floyd Robinson for Frank Robinson- no fault of the Sox. Short tried to trade for Frank after 1965, when the Reds put him on the block. The Reds said no to the Sox. They much preferred the services of Milt Pappas, who went 30-29 in two years for Cincy. Purchasing contract of Ernie Banks-the White Sox were offered the contract of Banks by the Kansas City Monarchs before the Cubs. They saw Banks in a Negro League All-Star Game and were unimpressed.

Alright, we're having our fun with the bad trade thread. Let's do the opposite. What do you feel were some of the best deals in White Sox history? Me, obviously I feel that any trade that led to the building of the 2005 champions was a great one, but I'll name three anyway: Matt Karchner for Jon Garland Mike Cameron for Paul Konerko Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik- I'll admit I was extremely skeptical about this one at the time. some others: Douglas Taitt and $20,000 for the rights to Luke Appling-sent to the Cubs, who were the first team to put in a claim for Appling. Aaron Robinson for Billy Pierce Joe Tipton for Nellie Fox Luis Aparicio for Pete Ward, Hoyt Wilhelm and Ron Hansen Juan Pizarro for Wilbur Wood Chico Carresquel from the Brooklyn Dodgers farm system- for once, Branch Rickey got robbed blind. The deal helped bring the franchise back to life. Dave Philley and Gus Zernial for Minnie Minoso-THE trade that sparked the Sox in the 1950's. Rocky Colavito for Tommie Agee and Tommy John-part of a three team deal in which the Sox got Colavito from KC and sent him to Cleveland for John and Agee. Lamarr Hoyt for Ozzie Guillen-didn't look so good at first, did it? Jose DeLeon for Lance Johnson- makes up (sort of) for Bonilla for DeLeon. Three the hard way: three trades that breathed new life into the team and gave it short-term success, but at the cost of players that had great careers elsewhere. So were they good or bad trades? Tommy John for Dick Allen Bucky Dent for Oscar Gamble, Lamarr Hoyt and Bob Polinsky. Perhaps this one doesn't belong, as it yielded 1983 rock Hoyt, who later yielded Guillen. Of course, I'm sure this one is still lamented (and lamented and lamented and lamented) in Boston. Perhaps a fan or two wants to kill Bill Veeck for making the trade. Dan Shaughnessy might want to send Mike Veeck royalty checks, though. Rich Gossage and Terry Forster for Richie Zisk-same type of deal as John-for-Allen.

I'll go with the classic response of the 1960 preseason deals: Johnny Callison for Gene Freese Norm Cash and John Romano for Minnie Minoso Earl Battey for Roy Sievers Plenty more to choose from. Howza bout these clunkers? Steve Stone for Ron Santo- the Sox of the early '70's needed pitchers. They did NOT need Ron Santo. Eddie Lopat for Bill Wight-Wight got lost on the way to his first Sox spring training and went on to be a 20 game loser. Lopat became a Yankee great. Brian Downing for Bobby Bonds-one good thing came out of this deal- Richard Dotson, who won 22 games for the 1983 Winning Uglies. He got hurt in 1985 and never reached his potential, though. Downing went on to a long, productive career. Bobby Bonilla for Jose DeLeon-funny how Hawk never talks about his 350-odd day tenure as Sox GM. Think this trade might have a l'il something to do with that? People may lament the waiving of Denny McLain. Well, perhaps. They lost his pitching skills but also his massive gambling habit and seedy underworld connections. Don Buford for Luis Aparicio, John Matias and Russ Snyder-not to knock the reacquisition of Little Louie, but it came at too high a price. Buford went on to be a star for the great Oriole teams of the late 60's-early 70's. Snyder and Matias were busts. If only they could've had Louie back without trading Buford. Tommie Agee for Tommy Davis- well, this one looked good on paper, I guess. Trade a .234 hitter for a .302 hitter. So what happens? The .302 guy slumps and is gone after a year, the .234 guy goes on to be a part of the legendary "Miracle Mets" and makes splendid plays in the World Series. Sandy Alomar for Bobby Knoop- a young, fast infielder for an aging, soon-to-retire one. Let's do it! Luis Aparicio for Luis Alvarado- had to do this one. After all, Bee Bee Richard was waiting in the wings. Mike Andrews, a part of this deal, contributed in 1972, however. Acquisition of Chick Gandil- no explanation needed.

He also challenged some guy to a fistfight, I think it may have been a National Review guy. The guy didn't think it was the mature thing to do, so he refused the challenge. Franken boasted in one of his books that the guy kind of whimpered and backed down. Al also boasted of his high school wrestling skills.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Jan 11, 2007 -> 06:20 PM) I agree. He built the championships with one plan then when the team got old and his coach tried a powerplay to get his job he tried another plan with youth and failed. He got praised, for good reason, for the first plan which won unheard of championships. He got fired deservedly so for the second one which failed. What is there to hate? 6 rings or getting fired for failing? I always found that hugely entertaining. Krause and Reinsdorf help build a team that wins six world titles. Do they get any respect, any praise for that? No, only hatred and contempt for the hypothetical future championships that they MIGHT HAVE won if the team had not been broken up. There is no guarantee that they would've won anything, but it sure feels much better to hate and be negative, doesn't it?

QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 12:48 PM) The Tigers are playing like gangbusters now ....... but I swear, I unfortuneately feel like theres an asterisk next to their season So how many of their wins don't actually count?

QUOTE(Beltin'Bill @ Apr 12, 2006 -> 10:45 AM) Bartman is the biggest patsy since Lee Harvey Oswald. I know it shouldn't bother me, but I still get pissed when I see that poor bastard mentioned in the newspaper (even if he is/was a Cubs fan). It is a clear reminder of how uneducated many supposed Cubs fans are from a baseball standpoint as well as the fact that the media will do anything to sensationalize a story to sell their product. The ball that hit Steve Bartman on the hands did not directly create a hit, rbi, error, or anything else. It was a strike, nothing more, nothing less. Further, Moises sucks as an outfielder and there is no guarantee he catches that ball. Moises was a dick for pointing at the fan and slamming his glove. Baker sucked for not recognizing his pitcher was spent. Finally, at least Moises' reaction was in the heat of the moment. Baker could have nipped the whole thing in the bud if he got up in front of the media after the game and laughed off any suggestion that the game changed because of that foul ball. Instead he said "Moises said he had it, I have to believe he would have had it" or something to that effect. That gave the story more legs than ever. Roll the whole thing into one pile of s*** and you don't have curses, you have a team full of losers and also rans who makes excuses for their shortcomings, starting with their leader, Dusty Baker. Very well written. I feel the same way. Just read any media dope today. They still blame Bartman for the Cub loss. It's pathetic. Lester Munson has gone on record as saying he wants to "strangle" him. If I had all the ink in the world at my disposal, it would not be enough for me to express the depth of disgust I feel for that son of a b****.

Some writer once wrote of polls about sex that, looking at results one of two things was apparent: either women were far more sexually active than anyone thought, or the men in the poll were lying through their teeth.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:57 PM) Here's something interesting.... Dan McNeil just said that he (McNeil) turned down the color commentator positition this week. I don't believe that, either.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 03:42 PM) We all want to kick the Dybber, just a lot less after the 2005 season. Here's another name. George Foster. I don't want to kick the Dybber, never did. It wasn't his fault. Greg Fatassinski contributed his fair share of whiffs, though I don't want to kick his fat ass either. I'll leave that psycho bulls*** to Cardinal, Cub and Red Sox fans. George Foster was hardly obscure, but I remember him homering in his first White Sox at-bat, then doing nothing after. Hey, let's go kick his ass, man! Anybody remember Johnny Jeter, Rich Coggins or Luis Alvarado?

Mike North was never under consideration by the White Sox, despite anything that slobbering ape may say. He is making it sound like he is voluntarily stepping aside.

Amazing, isn't it? A rumor flys around about an "AL playoff outfielder" testing positive, and fans on other boards are giddy with hope that it is a White Sox and will lead to "another Black Sox scandal." Meanwhile a practically admitted user is a candidate for Sportsman of the Year? Is this someone's idea of a sick joke? If SI does this....well, nothing will happen. They're a mega-conglomerate and nothing I do will dent them. But this is outrageous. But oh, well. Consider the source. The Sox aren't marketable enough to be Sportsmen of the Year, so don't think about it.

Then let ESPN run a "computer series" between the Yankees and Red Sox like USA Today did two years ago for the Red Sox and Cubs. They could hype it as the Rubber Match That Should Have Been! and Chris Berman could do the play-by-play along with Tony Reali. I could see the commercial: "And on the seventh day, God rested." "And on the eighth day, God created the Yankees and the Red Sox." "And God said, go forth. Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth with Mickey, Joe, Ted, Carl, Manny, Derek, Pedro, Whitey, Yogi and Babe. And Thou shalt play in the American League Championship Series every year." "Then came the serpent into the garden of Fenway...." [picture of Ozzie Guillen celebrating] cue: Chris Berman's "Graff Error" voice: "Ohhhhhh, NOOOOOO!" The voiceover can finish with "Yankees. Red Sox. The ALCS that was ordained."

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 09:27 AM) Dybber was a backup infielder (about equal to Greg Norton in modern stadards), that over ran the base in the 83 ALCS. Many argue that in cost us the series. Ok, Lester. Do you want to kill Dybzinski with your bare hands too, Lester? Are you sure the three runs scored, anemic offense and pathetic performance by Greg Luzinski didn't contribute to the loss in some way, Lester?

My mother and grandfather attended game 1 of the series, sitting in the right field lower deck.

QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 11, 2005 -> 06:43 PM) What? No giant red letters? Giant red letters are special, and only used only for those who get under my skin and provoke a special kind of rage. eg, meida idiots who constantly bring up the Black Sox scandal as if it happened yesterday; and any posts I see which invoke the the name of that goof moron idiot doofus jackass dumbass idiot clueless ding dong brainless dumbstupid idiot moron Terry BEVINGTON!!!!! Now look what you've done.

Anybody on this board remember Mike Stanton with the 1985 White Sox? His stay was brief, but memorable. He was picked up on waivers after Seattle dumped him and his 6.00 ERA. He came into a game against Baltimore in the 9th inning with two out, no one on, and the Sox winning 6-3. He had to be pressed into service because Bob James injured his knee throwing a pitch. Anyway, Stanton didn't get one batter out, and topped off the stellar performance by giving up a game-winning, 3-run home run to Fred Lynn. A couple of weeks later he came into a game against the Yankees (the Fisk double play game, in fact) with two outs in the 9th and the Sox up 5-3. He promply gave up a two-run, game-tying home run to Dave Winfield. I was happy when he was gone. I never warmed up to Bobby Thigpen, either. Every 9th inning was an adventure with him, at least it seemed that way.

Which of the following never played for the White Sox? Eddie Murphy Don Johnson Jimmy Stewart Eddie Fisher Michael Jackson Gary Cooper