NO!!MARY!!!

QUOTE(TLAK @ May 8, 2005 -> 10:28 AM) Tommy John How did the White Sox acquire Tommy John? Three way trade with Kansas City and Cleveland. They acquired Rocky Colavito from the A's (for Jim Landis I believe) then sent him to Cleveland for John Romano, Tommie Agee and Tommy John.

QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ May 8, 2005 -> 02:08 PM) Carlos May - May 17 What famous rock star had a namesake White Sox infielder? Easy. Jim Morrison.

My faves from White Sox history are Fielder Jones, manager of the 1906 Hitless Wonders; Al Lopez, love him or hate him he was a brilliant manager who got the most out of players; Eddie Stanky, who shot off his mouth and took guff from no one, although it may have ultimately done the team more harm than good, especially in 1967. Special props to Lena Blackburne, who had his own special way of dealing with problem players like Art Shires- he beat them up. Well, at least he and Shires tangoed a couple of times. Gotta love any manager who isn't afraid to throw down when his player steps out of line. And you thought Ozzie was bad. The WORSTmanager ever in the history of the Chicago White Sox, in fact in the history of baseball and the whole entire HISTORY OF HISTORYwas that dumb, stupid, goofy, moronic, dumbass dips*** jackass idiot moron asswipe brainless stupid assclown BEVINGTON!!!!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, okay. Maybe Bevington wasn't the worst manager in the history of history. Maybe Spiros, manager of the Spartan Olympic Discus Team, circa 355 B.C., was a worse manager than Bevington. But I doubt it!!!!! :fyou :fyou :fyou

BEVINGTON!!!! Who the hell brought that clown up? BEVINGTON!! BEVINGTON!!!!!!! :fyou :banghead

QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Apr 19, 2005 -> 06:07 PM) From: Ottawa_Sox To: Moronotti, Jay Subject: YOU You are a hack paper seller, in the esteemed tradition of Freddie Lounds. As such, you repressent a very poor example of 'credible': 1. Capable of being believed; plausible. 2. Worthy of confidence; reliable. Your bias and low brow pot-stirring is best described by the word 'unbelievable'. A Red Dragon reference. Cool.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 8, 2005 -> 10:42 AM) The basis for the claim is the absense of starts from 9-5 to 9-19. There is no mention of Eddie being hurt after winning 9-1 & therefore there are at least two start opportunitites there for Eddie to earn that bonus. If you can find a reference to his being hurt then I will accept your claim. Otherwise it seems as if Comiskey purposefully skipped his starts. Some links for your perusal: http://www.baseball1.com/carney/index.php?storyid=223 http://www.baseball1.com/carney/index.php?storyid=232 http://www.thediamondangle.com/marasco/hist/cicotte.html

The Cicotte benching story is a complete and total myth and a slanderous lie tossed into "Eight Men Out" by Eliot Asinof. According to Rich Lindberg, Cicotte was in on the fix by the time the White Sox clinched the pennant in September. Cicotte started the last game of the season and had 29 wins then, but the Sox lost that last game. John Sayles bent the facts for the movie version, which sympathized with the poor, underpaid wretches. Lindberg exhaustively researched it and found no evidence to suggest that the benching story is true. It is mentioned in only one sentence in "Eight Men Out": "...it was said that Comiskey had him benched." That's it. One sentence, and one that offers only speculation; not disturbing, inconvenient details like facts or evidence.

I now read in Phil Rogers that it might be Magglio Ordonez. He says that they are going to meet with him.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 22, 2005 -> 01:07 AM) I don't know if TLJ is a Sox fan, but I do know he's a big time jerk. He amde a movie down here ... U. S. Marshalls, I believe. He was a rude, arrogant, pompous ass. I've heard that, too.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jan 20, 2005 -> 05:08 PM) Tommy Lee Jones is a Sox fan. He is? Isn't he from Texas? I'm surprised to see that. And while everyone is on the subject of Al Capone, Eliot Ness mentions in the book The Untouchables going to Comiskey Park to see the White Sox play the Yankees, and Ted Lyons striking out Babe Ruth twice. One of his fellow agents cheered "like a kid" according to Ness. Colonel Donald P. Conroy, the real-life "Great Santini" was indeed a White Sox fan. In fact, the book mentions the Sox a few times. Robert Duvall mentions them once in the movie. Two great Chicago writers were also White Sox fans: Nelson Algren and James T. Farrell. They mention the Sox several times in their books. As for living White Sox fans, other posters pretty much covered them. Most, if not all, A-list celebs from Chicago are *sneer* Cub fans. One famous White Sox fan that no one had mentioned is former Vice-President Dan Quayle. Take that for what it's worth.

First of all, let me say that when it comes to the White Sox, I am the worst pessimist in the world. That being said, here is what I think will happen, and I will take it to the bank: Magglio will sign with the Cubs. Chicago media has extended orgasm. The Cubs will win the National League pennant, and I'd bet they'll win the World Series. At the very least, they'll win the division. Ordonez will be a key contributor. As for the White Sox, get ready for another year of mediocrity, abuse, low attendance, and Thomas on the DL, to be joined by the banged-up Jermaine Dye. Sorry, but when it comes to the White Sox, that is as optimistic as I am going to get.

Agree wholeheartedly.

I think most of it is tongue-in-cheek. I do object to number 2, for reasons I have stated elsewhere.WE deserve it because of what happened in 1919? Those f***ing jagoff bastard mother bleep bleep bleep bleepity bleeps need to get serious. I hate s*** like that. I truly hate it.

The Hitless Wonder factor lives! A couple of years ago, I got tired of all the blahblahblah about the infernally stupid "ex-Cub" factor, so I did a little research on my own and found an "ex-Sox" factor. That is, a team having three or more ex-Sox has pulled off a tremendous comeback to win the pennant, pulled off an upset to win the World Series, or both. I call it the "Hitless Wonder" factor, after the 1906 White Sox, who came back from 9 games down to win the AL pennant and beat the winningest single season team in baseball history (the Cubs, 116-36) in a World Series upset. Sometimes, the ex-Sox contribute mightily, as only they can. So the teams are: 1968 Detroit Tigers: Norm Cash, Don McMahon, Denny McLain. I'm fudging on McLain, because he never played a league game with the White Sox, but he did play with them in spring training and wore the uniform, so the magical Sockie pixie dust rubbed off on him. The Tigers won the AL pennant going away (thanks to McLain's 31 wins) then fell behind 3 to 1 to a superior Cardinal team. They came back to win the series, getting a must-win Game 6 win from McLain. Norm Cash's .385 average also contributed. I don't know if the Cardinals were favored or not, they were a faster team and had Bob Gibson. I'll say they were. Now that I am a serious baseball writer, I am allowed to make stuff up as I go along. 1969 New York Mets: Tommie Agee, Al Weis, J.C. Martin. Everyone knows their story. Down 10.5 games to the Cubs, they roared back to win the NL East, win the NL and beat the mighty Baltimore Orioles in a tremendous upset. Agee, Martin and Weis ALL made significant World Series contributions. Agee with his spectacular catches, Martin with his famous sacrifice bunt, and Weis with his game 5 home run. Where all these bunts, bops and breathtaking catches were in 1967 when the White Sox needed them is a mystery. 1978 New York Yankees: Bucky Dent, Goose Gossage, Jim Spencer, Bob Lemon. The mother of them all!!! Down by 14.5 games to the eternally woeful, suffering, suffering Boston Red Sox, the Yankees roared back to tie them for the AL East. The one game playoff went down in history of course, with Bucky Dent hitting a historic home run that would help beat the Red Sox and give the Boston media, Doris Kearns Goodwin, John Updike and Dan Shaugnessy reams and reams of useful material. Goose Gossage closed out the Red Sox in the 9th. Dent was also the World Series MVP. 1997 Florida Marlins: Bobby Bonilla, John Cangelosi, Alex Fernandez, Don Pall, Russ Morman, Jim Leyland. First wildcard team to win the World Series. Sur- prised the Atlanta Braves in the playoffs (who the hell hasn't?) and beat the Indians in the World Series, which I believe is considered an upset. They were also down to their last three outs in Game 7 before tying it and winning in extra innings. Donn Pall and Russ Morman didn't play in the postseason, but like McLain they spread the magical Sockie pixie dust around Joe Robbie Stadium. 2004 Boston Red Sox: Alan Embree, Keith Foulke, Ron Jackson (hitting coach) Ellis Burks. Now Burks only played for them briefly, and Jackson was only a hitting coach, but again, it's all about the dust. They pulled off the most astonishing historical comeback in baseball postseason history, being down 0-3 and down to their final three outs. They roared back, as only a team with the Hitless Wonder factor on their side could, beat the Yankees and pushed aside the 105 win Cardinals. Keith Foulke was a major contributor in both the ALCS and the World Series. Of course! I was a bit unsure about this one, because the Yankees have 4 ex-Sox on their roster; Kenny Lofton, Tanyon Sturtze, Esteban Loiaza and Tom Gordon. So it would reason that the "ex-Sox" factor is baseless, right? WRONG! I did a little research, and the 2004 Yankees have six ex-Cubs (Lofton, Sturtze, Gordon, Jon Lieber, Miguel Cairo, Donovan Osborne). So since they had more ex-Cubs than ex-Sox, the ex-Cub factor trumps the ex-Sox factor. Likewise, Boston had fewer ex-Cubs than the Yankees (four: Bellhorn, Mueller, Ricky Guiterrez and Terry Francona), hence their victory. They had the same number of ex-Cubs as the Cardinals (four: King, Tavarez, Womack, LaRussa) but the Cardinals have fewer ex-Sox (two, Eldred and LaRussa) so in this case the ex-Sox factor trumped the ex-Cub factor. Dumb? Stupid? A pile of dung? Maybe. But the ex-Cub factor is legendary, so why not an ex-Sox factor? EDIT: This, by the way, applies to teams since 1960, the year after the White Sox' last pennant. If anyone has any examples I missed, I'd love to hear of them.

I do a very slow BURN when I read s*** like this. OK, blame the players, blame Comiskey. Whatever. Doesn't matter to me. All of the players who threw that series are DEAD!! THEY'RE FREAKING DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GONE! DUST! DIRT! VAMOOSE!! GOODBYE!!! Comiskey is dead as well. So the current players and fans deserve mediocrity, deserve to be "punished" for something that happened 90 Frickin' frackin' years ago?????? OK! The series was thrown. Get the HELL over it!! I mean, do I have to recite a list of all baseball teams' crimes against humanity? Starting with the "Black Skin" Scandal? You know that one. Any ballplayer being caught in posession of black skin was banned from baseball permanently. The Boston Red Sox were a long- time perpetrator of this, and even turned down a chance to sign Jackie Robinson in 1944. And look, it only took them 60 years to recover. This one reason I hate sportswriters and others of their ilk. Well, I can't say I HATEthem, just all of the bulls*** that they foist onto the sporting public. Ridiculous. Jerks. :fyou :fyou :fyou :fyou EDIT: knightni, In reading this, it seems as if my venom is aimed at you. It is not. It is aimed at the utter jackass you cited in your post. Just don't want a misunderstanding.

I already own a White Sox World Series ticket, a stub anyway-for Game 6 of the 1967 World Series, to be played at "White Sox Park."

Speakest thou the truth. I don't read him unless he's crying about his Cubbies, and then only because I love to laugh at them. Then I read something like that comment in today's column and I feel a lot like that guy in the yellow sign in your left column. I really should stop. I'm ranting about him on the internet and he's laughing all the way to the bank. :banghead :banghead

Jay Mariotti, King of the cheap shots, takes his cheapest one yet in today's column. I wish I hadn't read it. I will supply no link, nor pollute these boards with a quote. I will simply go on record as saying he is a king s*** asswipe prick asshole in addition to a complete f***ing jagoff.

BAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BEVINGTON!!! BEVINGTON!!!!!!!!!! BEV......... :fyou :fyou :fyou :fyou :fyou :banghead :banghead :banghead

You're right about the Marcel Lumet one. But I think that this may be his most uncanny prediction: "In the New World, there will be a place called California, and a man named Joseph Cotten will become famous."

So Jay is now writing that Maggs might go to the Cubs? To paraphrase Claude Rains, I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you. Especially since I posted this: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbullet...12928post412928 On June 11, nearly a month ago. Amazing, my powers of foresight. I humbly award myself another "Aristonidis" award. For those who don't know, he was a 16th century prophet who, according to Woody Allen, once made the pre- diction "two nations will go to war, but only one will win."

I knew we were going to win. Really I did. Uh, yeah.

I am the eternal pessimist, and I get a very strange feeling that the Cubs will sweep. Let the sneering of the obnoxious Cubbie fans begin.

Chicago Media Jerk here. The 10 White Sox fans in Chicago have it worse, because there are no White Sox fans outside of the ghetto. *sneer* *sneer* *sneer*