mac9001

Yeah, and this: "White Sox general manager Ken Williams similarly returned empty handed. He was having discussions with San Francisco up until Monday afternoon about Russ Ortiz for a package of young players—the likes of Willie Harris, Jeff Liefer and a pitching prospect like Corwin Malone or Josh Stewart—but didn't make a deal."Phil Rogers It looks more and more then were just gonna trade straight up for Ortiz using prospects, but I still get the feeling that KW will f*** this up and give away Lee or PK for no f***en reason.

Everyone is making it clear that we dont need to offer PK or Lee, just prospects, YA HEAR THAT KW, DONT GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT!!!!

Now that would be a good deal, we dont give up that much and still get our #2 guy.

What about Jose at SS, where else could you put him and yeah theres no chance in hell that would ever happen.

Kent at 5 mil a year? I dont think he's gonna go that low...

pitching is what wins you games, any trade that improves your staff, you have to do.

I'm with you, if we get Ainsworth and Ortiz our rotation looks pretty good, maybe good enough to beat the Twins.

My friend just called me and said he heard Peter Gammons say Russ Ortiz would be traded to the White Sox either today or tomorrow on ESPNews. The if C.Lee is involved this will be a steal.

Muzoz has a good killer curve and a reliever with a trick pitch is noramlly pretty good. If we get Ortiz and Ainsworth for PK, then i'll be happy with the trade.

Only if there willing to give up 25K, which i should hope they would be.

I'll be pissed if PK is gone, they didn't need to give him up.

I'd do the Dempster trade, but i want no park of Astascio.

If they could get him for 750K-1M type range i say give it to him, he's 27, but he's never played on a good team and being in Toranto dosn't help either.

No way is Daal worth 5 mil, maybe 3 at most, but not 5!

It dosen't matter what agent he has, when someone offers him 20 mil, he's gonna take it and someone will offer him that much.

Vlad would want around 20 mil per year, and if JR gives anyone 20 mil per year, i'd have a heart attack. And we stiil dont have enough pitching to be world series contenders. All these years of losing have totally taken away any hope i had left.

I though this was his last year of his contract, he makes something like 12 mil this season, then he's a FA. Plus:

No way, Magz has 2 years left on his contract and already likes the Sox's enough to give them a discount. Vlad would leave after this season, I'd keep Magz.

To bad we wont play against him...

Even if we got Vlad, he'd just leave after this season and i dont want to give up out top prospects for a rent-a-allstar.

Lawrence would be a nice pickup but it probably takes way too much to get him. I hope KW tries to find out how much the Padres are asking for him.

What about Tony Armas Jr., he's due for a break out season and only makes 500Kish money. We might be able to get him fairly cheap.

Well Borchard, Rauch, Malon, Harris, Stewart+ 1 more position player for Vlad and Vazquez might be enough. But that would kill of farm.

Dont forget about Guerrero, they'll probably get tons of offers for Vlad. Maybe some one will give them what they want (what that could be i couldn't even begin to imagine)

There no looking for a FA 1b, there trying to dump extra salary bacause they have to many good players killing them in arbitration. They probably need to cut about 10-12 mil off there budget.