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Little Joey Ortiz is doing a lot better than most of us thought. Getz needs to overpay for as many Orioles scouts as he can on Jerry’s dime. However, the DL Hall part of that trade was trash from the start and I remember thinking that, so I’m not surprised that the Orioles were offering him around. A mediocre reliever that the Orioles hyped up as a potential starter.

Once they dump their tradable assets at the deadline, it will get even worse.

I would say that LF is the position you are describing, not necessarily RF. You are also banking on 107 at bats from Sheets this year to say he should be our starting RF going forward. I guess you have faith that this is the guy he truly is and he will keep it up. I don’t share that same faith.

I believe they each signed for a base salary of $3 million. Unless they reach some of their incentives, Jerry is still in the green by $2 million from Getz dealing Cease. If Cease was still with the Sox, I don’t know that you could assume that Jerry would’ve approved Getz adding Clevinger and Pham for the additional $6 million.

How do you think the Sox get all these amazing deals for veteran players?

Like I said, I do remember numerous posters saying that they would hold onto Cease, if the trade offers weren’t good enough. This is definitely no hindsight BS. I was a wuss like Getz and was too worried he would get injured. But Getz was probably also pressured by JR to dump his $8 million salary.

Now wait a second… You argued a few weeks back that the Sox weren’t as bad as their record indicated because it was too small of a sample size. Now you are using a small recent sample size to say that they are more than likely a .500 team? Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to use their entire 37 game record to judge them as a team, which is just 3 games away from being 25% of the entire season, which would also no longer be a small sample size?

Leave Chris alone. He’s still trying to justify that Maldonado signing.

Eddie Gaedel would be destroying Maldonado in OBP without ever swinging a bat.

I can go with this. The problem is that he’s a few months from turning 26 and repeating AA. He needs to figure it out soon.

But that poster is also the same person who signed Maldonado, so it’s understandable.

This is true but what else do you expect when your owner only hires these types of guys who had past ties to the Sox? In a vacuum, I don’t know enough about Santos as a coach but I do think it’s interesting that he has experience on both sides of the diamond, as a shortstop that converted to a reliever.

It sure is a sad state of affairs when some posters are fine with Sheets as our starting right fielder. Expectations sure are embarrassingly low when you’re a fan of a team with a cheap ass owner and a terrible front office and you don’t expect to do better than Sheets as one of your starting corner outfielders.

Haha, the starter that Hahn acquired but Reinsdorf obviously would never pay for and the other starter that wouldn’t sign with our team, whether it was due to his wife or the Sox not upping their offer. We went from Wheeler to Keuchel. Good lord. ? Hahn wasn’t a complete moron at least.

Agreed. No one wants Remillard. He passed through a DFA once already with no takers.

Sold high would mean the return was good. That’s questionable at best. Jake Eder is 25 years old and currently has an ERA over 5 with a 1.60 WHIP in Double AA.

Cease’s start yesterday against the Cubs was the first time in Statcast history (past 9 years) that a starting pitcher didn’t give up a single “hard hit ball” (95 MPH or higher exit velocity). Mike Tauchman made an out that was at 94.6 MPH exit velocity.

Robert and Ramos both worked hard to learn English as their second language and not have to fully rely on a translator. Meanwhile, Moncada has been with the Sox by far the longest and still has to rely on a translator. Shows the difference in effort between these players.

That’s because Cease IS currently pitching like peak-level Verlander for the Padres. In his start against the Cubs yesterday, he gave up 1 hit and had 12 strikeouts in 7 innings. It was the first time in the Statcast era (past 9 years) that a starting pitcher didn’t give up a hard hit ball (exit velocity > or = to 95 mph). Mike Tauchman made an out with an exit velocity of 94.6 mph. Also, you would be rewriting history if you say you don’t remember posters that wanted to hold onto Cease until this year’s trade deadline so he could prove he was an ace once again and potentially increase the return on him. I wasn’t one of those posters because I was concerned with Cease getting injured or struggling again, and the Sox getting even less for him. But it looks like those other posters may have been right. Of course we can’t just assume Cease would’ve pitched as well as he is with the Padres right now with the Sox, especially with the MLB’s worst defense that Getz put together, but it will still be interesting to see what the Padres get for Cease if they fall out of the playoff race and decide to trade him, and see how that compares with the Sox return from this past offseason.

The Maldonado Line __________________________

Win/loss record? No. Debits/credits T-chart? Yes.

I relates perfectly, unless you are trying to pick and choose which of Getz’s moves should truly count against him.

It’s definitely possible, and obviously wouldn’t be the first time Preller pantsed a Sox GM in a trade involving a starting pitcher. I wouldn’t have had the balls to hang onto Cease and risk injury and Getz didn’t either. But many other posters made the argument that Cease doesn’t really get hurt, which has stayed true thus far.

Sosa outhit both Lopez and Remillard in Spring Training. Not sure who fared the best on defense. But let’s not pretend there was ever a completion in ST for 2B. The minute Getz stupidly acquired Lopez and then stupidly gave him $4.3 million was when Nick “I can’t hit a lick” Lopez locked up the job.

He stepped up and sucked.