WhiteSox2023

Great points about anti-tanking. So at this point, the way I see it is that at bats are truly valuable. See what some younger guys can do. Also, if they avoided signing all of these vets this offseason, why couldn’t that money be spent later when they are more competitive? We were always told “the money would be spent” when Hahn missed out on Machado/Harper. Why not treat the money the same way, see if any of your aging prospects can perform, and spend the money when you have a team that is closer to being competitive? No other team shows much interest in Pillar as a fourth outfielder and we are talking about starting him in RF in a platoon with Brett Phillips. How low can you go?

Getz’s entire offseason has been signing veterans that are either old as hell and/or (mostly “and”) were terrible last year, and they weren’t even all that cheap! He signed a bunch of guys as starters that would be bench players at best on any other team, and they probably didn’t deserve much more than a minor league contract. I’ll take my chances with guys like Colas, Perez, and Sosa potentially sucking over Pillar/Phillips, Maldonado/Stassi, and DeJong/Lopez sucking for sure. We already know these veterans suck and/or their days are numbers as major leaguers. Why bother playeing them?

The irony is that this would have been a pretty good signing back when both Leury and Sheets were playing the outfield for our contending White Sox. ?

Okay, then trade them all for low A lottery tickets. At least that would be a strategy that makes some sort of sense. Don’t just keep them around as organizational filler to start games at AAA. Organizational filler can be found everywhere. I can’t wait to watch these veterans win 10 more games then some youth to finish the season with 70 wins.

Colas is 25. Sosa is 24. There’s a difference between these guys and rushing a Montgomery or Ramos who are much younger. We already know AAA at bats are no comparison for MLB at bats. Let these guys sink or swim in the majors. Every at bat that a Maldonado, DeJong, Pillar, Phillips, etc. gets is a wasted at bat in a non-competitive season. This team is going nowhere no matter who starts. You also aren’t getting anything of value at the deadline, even if one of these aged bums has a miraculously good start. There literally is zero upside to playing these veterans.

I never said to spend big at all. My point is, why even spend at all on these guys? Let Colas prove himself in the majors. See what Sosa can do. Sink or swim. We already know that the majority of the veteran players that Getz acquired suck, so why even waste money, time, and at bats on them? What exactly are you buying time for? You are wasting time in a losing season in which you can figure out if your young players are worth a damn.

Sheets is pretty much worthless other than as a bad lefty backup 1B that will occasionally run into one. My point is, what is this strategy even supposed to be? They will be terrible either way. Why not see if you can salvage some young players for the future as either starters or bench players by giving them at bats in a lost season? That way, Getz may not have to waste $3 to $5 million on all of these terrible bench players.

Seriously, save all the money Getz wasted this offseason dumpster diving for terrible veterans, put it in a vault, and spend it later on something worthwhile. Not this collection of crap. Is anyone really excited to see Martin Maldonado behind the plate instead of Carlos Perez? DeJong and Lopez over Sosa? Pillar over Colas? It’s ridiculous.

Why? How does this make any sense? I understand making young players earn their way to the roster but the Sox have all their cards on the table and they have absolutely nothing for RF, SS, 2B, or catcher. How does it make any sense to waste at bats on Pillar and Phillips over just letting Colas play and either boom or bust? Why do bums like Pillar and Phillips deserve at bats over Colas? Because they are veterans? They are bad veterans! They are already a known quantity of suck. At least there is some glimmer of hope that Colas could turn into a decent player. I don’t understand how the Sox run their awful team and I probably never will.

I don’t think Getz has shown interest in such a player yet.

How many negative WAR players has Getz acquired this offseason? He must be looking to set the record.

Cue the Getz in dumpster image (I can’t find it.).

Likely. More dumpster diving. Dude is 35 and can’t hit. It really sucks being a Sox fan. I’d rather watch Colas get at bats starting on opening day than watch at bats be wasted on this old bum.

Why is he all for it? Does he love QBs that can’t throw the ball and go 10-28 as a starter for your team?

Indeed. The worst of the worst.

Doesn’t make much sense as to how they are employed does it?

He’d be a better pickup than Dom Smith.

Oh, you didn’t know? @tray is a Sox fan ambassador. The White Sox pay him to speak for all Sox fans.

Would only make sense if they still plan on trading Eloy.

I always thought that Hinch was Hahn’s guy but Jerry overrode him and hired TLR. But after that, I did think that Hahn chose Grifol.

This would be nice.

But Middleton didn’t actually name any names specifically. I remember he said one reliever was falling asleep in the bullpen but he never said who it was. Besides, multiple players came out and said similar things as Middleton once they were traded from the Sox. It sure sounds like it truly WAS a toxic environment.

Was just thinking about this. Weird offseason. They are trying to compete while still turning their expiring contracts into new players. Still seems pretty half-assed.

Not surprising that JR, Kenny, and Hahn fell for a snake oil salesman since that’s what they were as well.

I think “asshole” is a bit harsh. He was just honest about a dysfunctional team. Refresher link for reference: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38147621/ex-white-sox-reliever-keynan-middleton-rips-club-no-rules-culture