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Does that leave them at zero now? 🤣

The favors that Grandal and Moncada both received was getting overpaid for their production and health, or lack there of. I really hope this isn’t a thing.

Regardless of what JR said, Getz had experience with this organization so he would know the current players better than an outside hire. This would be an accurate assumption, no? And “a bad record”? How about a historically bad, record setting season? Don’t minimize it! Getz is going to do what no GM before him could accomplish, whether they were trying to win or tanking intentionally! Now that’s truly impressive! I also don’t think you can just assume that Hahn/KW prevented Getz from changing things, one way or the other. Perhaps Getz simply didn’t want to rock the boat in his previous position? But props to him for changing things now. Finally, I don’t like Getz because the majority of his moves have been terrible, not because of a Reinsdorf press conference. The narrative that Getz is a bad GM remains alive because the majority of his moves have sucked.

Yes, and he also helped build the Astros into a powerhouse when he joined them in 2011 and they were in the dumps. But I see your point.

Sizemore don’t quit, even when he probably shouldn’t have taken the job to begin with. Poor bastard.

Developed Seby Zavala — a 3rd string catcher; DFA twice this season by the Mariners and currently playing for their AAA team. Acquired a potentially lockdown bullpen in the offseason — not even close. Acquired numerous trade deadline flip candidates in the offseason, including Soroka, Flexen, Brebbia, Lopez, etc. — Hard nope.

I admitted that JR’s press conference was a joke, but Getz still had an advantage of knowing the Sox organization and both its minor and major league players over an outside GM hire. Your question was, “What if Dombrowski was GM of the White Sox and had traded for Dominic Fletcher?” Why should I answer such a ridiculous question? It isn’t a reasonable question because we aren’t living in the Twilight Zone where JR brings in a big expensive name for GM. This would never happen, and you know this. And I also couldn’t predict if he would trade for Fletcher or not, but I doubt he would. Dombrowski was always about making big splashes in trades. But I still have no idea if Fletcher is the type of player he would like in a smaller deal. However, I do know that Getz traded for Fletcher. That actually happened and is not hypothetical. And holy hyperbole Batman, when did I ever say acquiring Tucker and Smith-Njigba would equate to a World Series or that one was ever promised? Reinsdorf didn’t promise a record-setting shitshow of a season under Getz either, yet here we are… But it is funny how quickly you resort to gaslighting when you can’t debate your point. Here is something that IS true — YOU tried to use a small sample size of the Sox record over 25 games or so to show that they weren’t as bad as they are. That hasn’t aged very well. Vargas is not a small sample size. He basically has a full season of plate appearances in his career with two teams at this point. He looks terrible with the bat and his glove is atrocious as well. Fletcher has about half that, but I don’t see any good offensive qualities in him, even though his glove looks good. He has almost non-existent power for a guy whose primary position looks to be RF.

He’s no doubt getting his buyout at the end of the season and will sign elsewhere. What is the benefit to seeing what he has left?

Okay, fine. Then let’s take a look at exactly whom Getz chose to spend money on. It looks like he spent a total of $38.85 million on a majority of players that were either cut, terrible, or injured. Quite honestly, we should all be happy that Getz didn’t have an additional $60 million to spend — or at least Jerry should be — because he would have more than likely wasted it. However, does this fit or is this just more trash to “push my narrative”? But now you threw up the ultimate defense for Getz — “You don't write a check, throw it on the field, and that check wins games.” So now we can’t judge our GM for whom he chooses to acquire with his payroll? Fedde — $7.5 million (1 of 3 good acquisitions but traded for a terrible bat/glove player) Brebbia — $5.5 million (DFA) Lopez — $4.3 million (no team wanted him at TDL or on waivers) Maldonado — $4.25 million (DFA) Pham — $3.5 (spare junk included in bad Fedde trade) Clevinger — $3 million (injured and done for season) Soroka — $3 million (5.23 ERA; injured) Hill — $1.8 million (DFA; great with Yankees now) Flexen — $1.75 million (5.36 ERA; no team wanted him at TDL) DeJong — $1.75 million (2nd good acquisition; good trade for reliever) Grossman — $1.5 million (3rd good acquisition; good trade for reliever) Pillar — $1 million (DFA)

Oh, wow, you mean Luhnow actually helped develop some of the talent that turned the Astros around after those two horrible years? I guess we just have to wait a little longer for Getz’s equivalent successes.

JR said that one advantage to promoting Getz was that he knew the team already, and even though this was mostly a BS reason given for promoting him, there is still some truth to it. So yes, Getz had an advantage over someone being hired from the outside. Getz has been with the Sox since 2017 as the director of player development, so logically he would have had an advantage over an external GM hire who never had an inside assessment or view of the organization. But while your hypotheticals are a fun rabbit hole [excuse] to go down, Dombrowski unfortunately isn’t the Sox GM and we have no clue if he would have acquired a scrub like Fletcher. But we all do know for a fact that Getz DID indeed acquire Fletcher, and even chose him over a better player in Jake McCarthy, because his assistant GM Barfield is apparently as bad as he is at evaluating players. And I expected Fletcher and Vargas to both be .900 OPS star players? These two scrubs can’t even manage to be league average players, much less reach a .650 OPS, but nice hyperbole…

You could’ve posted the best picture of “Stone Pony”… his Playgirl pictorial. ❤️

Do you remember what those Astros teams’ opening day payrolls were in 2012 and 2013? The 2012 Astros had around a $60 million dollar opening day payroll. The Sox were at around $181 million last year and $123 million this year to start the seasons. Hell, Getz basically spent as much in his first offseason as what the 2013 Astros opening day payroll was — around $26 million. Your comparison isn’t really a close one. You can argue inflation to some extent but it won’t account for that kind of difference in money and payrolls from 11 years ago. Unless you were actually trying to prove that Getz did even worse than Luhnow, actually epically record-setting bad, with far more money spent on his roster. The fact is that Getz did far worse than Luhnow in the first year of his rebuild while spending far more money. But I guess he did acquire franchise “cornerstones” in Fletcher and Vargas, so we should give him some credit!

I assume Peavy was referring to his own experiences while a player for the Sox? If that’s true, the Sox have been doing this since at least the 2013 season (Peavy’s last season with the Sox).

It didn’t age well but it’s still true. That was his first home run of the season through 174 plate appearances. It was also only the third home run of his career in 276 total plate appearances. He definitely is not a home run hitter, but hopefully he has more power than Nicky Lopez…

Wow, a terrible player with zero power repeats his recent terrible season with no homeruns and you acquire him, overpay him, and all but announce he’s your starting 2B after you acquire him? That’s some quality GM’ing! Even better that you already saw a similar player in Madrigal with higher draft stock and quickly dumped his ass.

Too bad the deadline is over. Maybe they would want Vaughn? 😶

Uhhh, yeah, just be careful when googling that name. But it might already be blocked in Commie China.

Yep, we just got rid of one worthless player (when he isn’t hitting and due to his terrible glove) for another. Sad.

Except Nicky Lopez has proven himself to be a garbage hitter over multiple seasons, not just a month. But your small sample size argument does make some sense and can be supported. However, when in your opinion will Vargas and Fletcher have enough plate appearances to be proven mediocrity? Vargas has just about a full season with 530 career PA, while Fletcher has about half that at only career 276. I would suggest not even looking at Vargas’s career line as it is that ugly. Meanwhile, Fletcher has basically hit like an “on-fire” Nicky Lopez for his career.

Maybe if it only happened a few times. But how many times have we seen the Sox do this? They have been doing this for the past few seasons. There’s a reason posters openly call it out and joke about it. Because they remember the last several times the Sox have done the very same thing.

No, exorcised was correct. Getz and his minions are evil demons sent from hell to destroy Sox fans enjoyment of baseball.

Maybe Getz can do another assessment of the team after his own year one like Jerry said he was able to do last year? My guess is that he wouldn’t share the results with Jerry because all of the fingers would point back at him.

He has the Kenny/Hahn stink on him. He truly deserves nothing, and damn sure didn’t deserve his promotion. He should’ve been canned from his previous role for being a weak director of player development since he ultimately had poor results. His offseason was awful, his in-season transactions were reactionary and questionable, and his trade deadline was a huge failure. As I’ve said before, I’ll take a drunk monkey throwing darts at pictures of free agents/trade targets over trusting Getz and his staff (Barfield, Tosar (oh, already canned, go figure…)). They have all burned us out of two starting caliber position players already with their terrible player assessments.

If he was an outside hire, I would’ve given him more rope. But he’s a Kenny/Hahn lackey and learned from the absolute worst of the worst — two other terrible front office people that simply kissed Jerry’s ass to keep their paychecks rolling in for years. Getz also didn’t develop anything in his previous role other than a pile of dung and he put together what was thought impossible this past offseason, a record setting turd. He’s a terrible GM and needs to be gone as well and no, no one should stop screaming this from the highest towers and cliffs.