Sports Guy

Well considering I have said countless times that we need a high end starter..no.

This is a fair post. Either way, Westburg holds a much higher value than Kjerstad position wise and defensively.

And this still has no bearing on what positions Westburg can play at the Ml level.

lol..well as long as that’s how you are concerned, we will ignore the other evidence. Glad that’s cleared up.

Honestly, no idea. I suspect that whatever he is offering isn’t an offer Getz should take…just as what Getz is asking for is a deal I don’t think Elias Shonda make. As I said, each side is doing what they are supposed to.

Well we don’t know if he’s low balling or other teams are asking for too much. and ultimately, something doesn’t have to be done today anyway. Everyone is playing this the right way.

That’s all fine. I understand a preferred type of guy. But having a preference doesn’t make a players value more. The discussion was about the value and upside of these guys. Kjerstad’s value and upside is diminished because of his position and defense. If the question was, you can choose between the 2 players, I completely understand wanting Kjerstad. But that’s not what I was discussing. WAR doesn’t give you more value because you hit left handed. And again, if reports are true, it sounds like Westburg would be someone the WS want.

Huh? What does any of this have to do with what positions Westburg can play?

No, he can’t handle SS. He’s a second or third baseman. He can handle either.

But your reasoning is poor and wrong, so I just ignored it and moved on to the idea of your last paragraph. That said, Kjerstad should be on the table for Cease. We agree there.

Cease isn’t the only pitcher he can acquire that makes us better. So, his failure isn’t that he doesn’t get Cease. It’s that he doesn’t add a guy who could be a difference making playoff talent.

Well it is..but so is third and he can handle that too.

It’s so reasonable that no team is willing to pay it.

No offense but I don’t really care what happened in your terrible organization. I watched the Os for years fail players. They are awful at developing, didn’t have the right tools, the right scouts, the right anything. But sure, guys fail all the time. 50% of the first round fails. Bradfield, if he doesn’t gain some power, will fail to be a ML starter. That’s the way it goes.

I’m not forgetting anything. I would trade guys that we are discussing that Elias may not be willing to move. I would trade Cowser or Kjerstad although Westburg has the same value. But you guys are placing a higher value on Cease than anyone in MLB is, outside of Getz. I’m simply saying, I’m not willing to pay way more than what the market is valuing him at. Your desire to get more for him because “you have to” doesn’t make him a more valuable player. If Getz is fine with the risk of keeping him for the regular season, so be it. I suspect that’s what happens. I also suspect Elias will fail on what he needs to accomplish this offseason. As an Os fan, that bothers me but ?‍♂️

You should apply that same logic to Cease.

He’s an advanced college bat from arguably the best baseball school and conference in the question. Most scouts believe could be a ML asset right now just because of his speed and and defense. Our local media even thought he could be a playoff call up and be like a Terrence Gore type guy. He either will be showing signs that he is and can be the everyday CFer by the end of this season or he will likely not be a player good enough to start in the majors. He should end the year in AAA if his bat advances.

I have never once said someone untouchable.

The idea that you aren’t taking defense, position, speed and baserunning into account in terms of overall value is hilarious. Kjerstad has a lot to like. He moves well for a guy his size. He has huge power potential. He has a chance to be a high average/high OBP guy but his value is essentially a DH/Corner player. Hell, there was even some thought that the strong arm he had in Arkansas was worse last year.

He should be the starting CFer on OF 2025 and unless Fabian takes a turn offensively, they have no one else. It’s not a real difficult concept to figure out. It’s a high end, premium position and the Os don’t have a long term person for it. He was regarded by some to be a top 10 draft prospect. BA just said he has 80 speed and 80 defense but he has to show power to be an actual starting MLb player. It’s just highly unlikely they would look to trade a guy like that this fast. Just not an Elias thing to do.

Jones isn’t on the table apparently. Your hopes and dreams that he is doesn’t make it so. If Getz wants to risk Cease for another several months, have at it. It’s a decision that could pay off but it’s also a huge potential problem but hey, have at it if that’s the risk you want to take. Elias won’t bid against himself because he’s not a moron.

Is this a question that is supposed to advance any conversation? How do you know Getz won’t trade Cease for Mountcastle, Wagner and Wells? Is he on your speed dial?

The other thing is, a deal of like Westburg, Beavers, Povich and maybe another player is going to be the best deal on the table. You guys keep saying “we aren’t including the top guys”. First of all, i do agree that Cowser or Kjerstad should be on the table but if they want to keep them and trade out of the depth of the IF, I’m thinking that the deal won’t be beat. If it’s the best deal, why trade more?

Btw, no one is untouchable and many of these guys would be on the table for some players…but Cease isn’t one of them for many of these guys.

That’s fine..you are wrong but that’s fine. Kjerstad’s lack of position and potentially poorish defense brings down his overall value. Kjerstad has a higher offensive upside for sure though.