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All three of them were in the Padres top ten…. 1, 5, and 7. If you want to share a link I’d be happy to look. But, that would indicate they had 5 top 100 …which they did not.

He’s thrown 186 innings since 2020 if you include the 12 innings in the minors. 100 of those are from this year. Obviously any GM looking at him will have concerns.

No it’s think …you know what I meant.

I don’t see anything wrong with it.

No not really …. Go back and look at your posters expectations in a return for Cease. Two top 100 plus others. The return wasn’t even close to that … you got a guy that was in the 60-90 range , a RP , and top younger guys that look iffy to me. As I mentioned, if they get anything from either of the two kids the deal was Win. Injuries happen…. Last year with the exception of Bautista the Orioles went mostly healthy. Means had 1 good season like another guy being discussed here and otherwise injured. Bradish injured his UCL in the offseason at Driveline. Hard to blame that on the Orioles.

Thanks …. I’m just trying to be objective. I expect to take some heat as a visiting poster. Don’t really deserve to be called scum though.

That’s cool …. I’m not suggesting you shouldn’t be. They’ve hit on Thorpe …. Don’t really care about the RP. If they hit on one of the young guys the trade is a big win. I only asked as Ortiz was a popular point of discussion and old and pretty much thought of as trash here. And he’s on track to be a 3-4 WAR player in his rookie season.

Just like he did Joey Ortiz who was an old bust …right. Callis is on dope! You are two if you th8n’ your getting 2 of them for Crochet, Thankfully Elias isn’t that stupid

I saw a rumor that said the Sox would trade Robert on the cheap if someone would pick up Benintendi and his contract. I doubt that the Orioles. Benintendi has literally fallen off a cliff. . I’m a fan and am shocked he’d fallen off so much. But, I don’t see the Orioles taking on that salary …. So BTW… Last time I looked Robert was hitting around .230 with an OBP around .315. Plus he obviously has injury concerns. I don’t think he’s a superstar.

You guys are funny …. Go back and read the Cease threads here. Legit ACE….top talent. Now somebody here is calling him a really nice 2 to 3 Crochet is having an awesome season …. But 24 last year and 54 the year before. He’s certainly an injury concern. Plus there is zero chance he reproduces the 1st half as he will need to be extremely limited or shutdown at some point. So a buyer has to be looking for future value as opposed to what he’s likely to give in the second half. I’m sure Getz wants to sell High but rival GMs looking for help at the deadline will consider his health and availability when considering his value.

https://www.mlb.com/news/dylan-cease-padres-white-sox-trade

So you got #85 for Cease but think you’ll get two top #10 in MLB prospects for Crochet and Robert. If they didn’t if the injury concerns you might be in the zip code. IMO Cease had more trade value than either of these guys.

So the Cease trade netted the #85 prospect (system #5), #7 , #8 , and a middle reliever. From that deal I mentioned Youd get the Orioles #2 (#12 per MLB that will be higher when they produce their fall list), #4, #7, #15, and a major league ready power hitting corner OF. It might be a little light …but no way it’s “Way”. BTW, due to injury concerns Crochet is not as valuable as Cease imo. Robert also has injury concerns.

My opinion probably wouldn’t be popular on the O’s board but I’d offer. Crochet and Robert For Basallo, Bradfield , McDermott, Bright, and Stowers.

So what does a deal for Crochet and Robert look like in your opinion?

Not really looking to argue. I mentioned Crochet since the rumor is they have discussed him. The Orioles are clearly looking to upgrade. For me Fedde has so over performed his career numbers that I’m not really interested. Crochet is interesting but his limited availability is a concern as well. But, we need a reliever as well …perhaps more. So they could limit his innings by using him as a reliever before the playoffs. I’d be okay with dealing an outfielder and a couple other guys for Crochet. We obviously have a surplus. What would you be asking? Keep in mind Santander is gone after the season. Then Hays and Mullins after next. So the surplus isn’t as big as it appears.

Yeah …He’s off to a nice start. By looking at his stats K’s are the only real concern. Hopefully that increases as he gets some experience. Cool thanks

You serious? The Yankees are the team in the midst of a 5 games losing streak.

Looking out his stats his FIP is about 3/4 of a run lower than his ERA similar to last year. But, he’s also given up 13 bombs in a half of baseball. With the exception of the one season I find him mildly disappointing/ underachieving despite his talent.

@JUSTgottaBELIEVE I have no interest in a reunion with Jack Flaherty. I realize you guys clashed with some of the O’s posters but I’m not one of them.

Predictable demise? They have the second best rotation ERA in baseball and just got quality starts from Kremer (back from injury) and Suarez. Grayson Rodriguez has ten wins and Burnes leads the team. in ERA and K’s. Also they are breaking in Povich who has a 4.04 ERA in 5 starts since being called up. So despite losing Means and Bradish to TJ surgery they are doing pretty well. Obviously they are looking for a starter and Crochet’s name has surfaced in rumors.

Wondering If you guys are happy with the return for Cease after the fact? Do you think you did better than Joey Ortiz and DL Hall? Ortiz is currently at 2.1 WAR.

So you are thinking the return for Cease should’ve been Cowser/Kjerstad, Ortiz, and Hall? I’ll have some of what you’re smoking. Hall won’t make it as a starter IMO ….But is a leverage reliever and possibly a closer. The other guys are ready …high floor guys. So even if they only end up average major leaguers you’ve won the trade by a landslide. The likelihood hood of Cease reproducing the CY Young season is likely about 20% IMO. That’s not to say he can’t give a team 2 years of above MLB average starter production. i think the major problem with Getz is he’s tarting to sell Cease on what he could be versus what he is after 2023. I think you guys also wanted to receive the return based on that. Honeslty, I hope you guys get it. I just hope it’s not from the Orioles, maybe the Red Sox or Jays will drop their pants.

Obviously that’s the approach…. However a bad 1st half makes the return less than Burnes IMO. An injury hurts it even more. It will be interesting to see how things turn out.

Agreed