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My argument was that from a purely baseball, it is a good deal, not that there were no reasons no other team signed him. I have made no comment in relation to that

Still waiting on example of them facts you were talking about. Or an example of how I am attempting to perform page moderation as per your previous claim when you had no reasonable counter for my arguments

Did you look up the stats? his FIP was 4.28 compared to 3.77 ERA which is well within the normal discrepancy between the two, and well within his own normal difference: 3.40 ERA compared to 3.82 FIP on his career. The claim he was “the one guy to out perform his FIP and xERA by that much” is so blatantly false I’m not even going to bother to cite a counter example. You’ve got to really be abandoning reason to argue he hasn’t been an above average major league pitcher including last year. And ignore the fact far inferior stqrting pitchers routinely sign for more than three million per year

Lol. Is that another of your so called facts?

You realize he had a 3.3 WAR last season, no?

I must have missed the facts you have stated. I see you spend a lot of time attacking Clevinger, way more than I spent on this thread in fact, while ignoring the facts though, so I wouldn’t think it would be that much of a stretch of the imagination

I know he did not have MLB mandated therapy because MLB did not take disciplinary action, which would be required to issue any mandates. What Clev does on his free time is not my business

Not sure what you mean. Even a well below average starting pitcher gets well north of three million these days, at any rate

I’m failing to see how signing an above average starting pitcher for three million is incompetent, from a purely baseball standpoint. Buying low is normally considered a good practice in player acquisition, no? The only real argument being made by anyone here is that the Sox shouldn’t sign someone that they dislike

Well, yeah that was what he was referring to, but that is not MLB mandated therapy, of which he was demanding an account from the Sox. Even if Clevinger had been mandated therapy, which he was not, as that release clearly states “the office of commissioner will not be imposing discipline on Clevinger in relation to these allegations,” the Sox would be in violation of the policy by addressing it, or hold Clevinger to it. From the policy: “Players who fail to comply are subject to discipline from the Commissioner. All information is to be kept confidential.” Therefore, the Sox would be in violation of the policy if it were to meet SSHM’s demands, which I would argue makes his position unreasonable, even if Clevinger wasn’t cleared, which of course, he was in fact cleared

According to recent forbes article, 45.7% of americans can’t tell the difference between facts and opinion. I’d argue this thread provides a pretty good anecdotal support to the claim. That is a matter of opinion, of course, just to be clear. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brycehoffman/2024/03/17/facts-and-opinions-half-of-americans-dont-know-the-difference/?sh=5faef4ff2fe2

Just in case anyone missed what I am referencing here. SSHM was in fact claiming that MLB mandated therapy for Clevinger, which is clearly not the case, since MLB can not mandate therapy or “management of domestic violence proclivities” in a case where the player was found to be not in violation.

So where’s your evidence that as a result of the voluntary evaluation, he subsequently underwent “mlb mandated therapy?” A voluntary evaluation is not therapy. He couldn’t have undergone mandated therapy, since that is part of the disciplinary process, from which he was cleared by MLB. MLB could only trigger the therapy mandate in the case where he was found in violation of the policy, which he was not. All of this is fact, not a matter of opinion. As a matter of fact, “mlb mandated therapy” is a part of the mlb domestic abuse policy discipline, which again is not a matter of opinion. If compliance is required as a result of a decision, that is discipline by definition. Since he was not disciplined by MLB, there was no mlb mandated therapy for him to attest to. That’s why he was never subsequently disciplined for maintaining his innocence before, during and after the investigation, which again, he was in actual fact cleared by MLB. Therefore, it is unreasonable to demand an account of something that never happened

Sure everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if an argument is based on false premises then the argument can not be considered sound. That is first chapter logic 101.

It’s not a matter of opinion. How are the white sox or Clevinger supposed to comment on “mlb mandated therapy” when there was, in fact, no “mlb mandated therapy?” Since, as a matter of fact, Clevinger was not disciplined under MLB domestic policy? Come on, man! And I don’t know wtf you are talking about with the “help with page moderation.” Did I say he isn’t entitled to be wrong or something?

Well, it’s a matter of fact. For example, he said he was concerned how therapy helped Clevinger and wants the Sox to address it. Since he was not disciplined by MLB or convicted by a court, he was not subject to mandated therapy. Therefore, his concern is in fact irrelevant to the situation

Yeah but your concerns are irrelevant to the actual situation

Sox should have issued a trigger warning before announcing the signing

That’s just about the most intelligent thing I’ve heard him say yet

Good move presuming he was signed at less than his option. He was one of the only guys who showed up to compete last year for the Sox. Obviously a better option than what people were floating on this board to eat innings recently

Evidently it was an April fools prank?

One could argue anything better than -1.5 WAR at short and catcher would still be an upgrade over the -2 and -2.5 we got from TA and Grandal last year

Ah yeah could be

My dad sent me the following text about two hours ago: Do you believe they fired Pedro already? I responded half hour ago: they did?? no response as of yet. Should I be concerned? Just sitting here baffled at the moment

I’m not convinced Thorpe was the centerpiece.