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I just looked it up. I was off slightly. Crochet was at about 1680 total pitches at 105.1 IP. Last year, Cease was at 1662 after 90.1 innings. So roughly, 105 Crochet innings equals 91 Cease innings

There was at least some level of concern considering the majority of his starts he was limited to less than 90 pitches. If you go by pitch count, he’s thrown like 75-80 Cease innings

Also a verb isn’t an adjective

Ah. I think my eyes skipped over the ‘ea’

Why would anyone advise their client to listen to white sox coaches? Seems like a bad career move to me

Not sure where he got the 4.133 million either

Could you imagine the braves going into the playoffs with rotation headed by Sale, Reynaldo and Fedde? I don’t see them matching up in terms of prospects though. Surely the Sox won’t trade him for more arms. Their top positional guy is a slap hitting infielder with no speed

Scott Fletcher was a 32 career WAR player.

I find that impossible to believe

I didn’t know he pitched against the cubs

To me, Schriffen is so bad I’d gladly take Beckham over him every day of the week. At least he knows baseball

My main complaint is the seeming lack of relevant knowledge or insight, which doesn’t have anything to do with the condition of the Sox. Then the cringe factor just compounds that. Benetti made me cringe too but it was forgivable due to his vast knowledge of baseball and the Sox along with his obvious genuine sox-ness. In sum, I don’t think Schriffen works any better on a good team. Plenty of good broadcasters have covered bad teams

You actually believe Crochet’s value is lower now than at the beginning of the season??

Kind of hard to sort out what he was saying there with the double negatives, but are you guys saying Hawk was fake?? I mean say what you will about Hawk but he always came off as genuine to me

Are you even a Sox fan?

It’s relevant to the question of whether Milwaukee’s return was underwhelming or not, considering my point is that you can’t expect to get another TOR starter that cheap.

There’s still three weeks until the trade deadline, not sure how you have concluded the Yankees have said no. If they actually want Crochet, they would obviously be aware Crochet is more valuable than Jones. At any rate, the O’s can’t match the Yankees pitching depth as is, even if the Yanks don’t trade for Crochet. You seem to be leaving level of need out of the equation. It isn’t the Sox or the Yanks who have the immediate and near term need to match the level of their competition in terms of starting pitching. The yanks already have five guys you wouldn’t mind starting in a playoff game. After Burnes and Grayson the O’s clearly don’t match up as is

You didn’t answer the question

You’re telling me you’d give up Thorpe, Iriarte, Zavala and Wilson for Ortiz?? No s%*#. My point is, it makes more sense now than ever to pull the trigger on a TOR arm, so the fact the O’s pulled off a better deal for Burnes and that they declined to meet the demand on Cease is irrelevant to the question of whether they will or should meet the price here. Maybe they do or maybe they don’t. But it makes more sense now due to the fact they have all the positional talent converging at the same time they’re in legit position to win a WS or two over the next three years. Either way, no way I trade Crochet without either one of their current top three prospects or one of Westburg or Cowser. It’s ludicrous to suggest the Sox should take any less when he’s clearly a guy you’d want on the hump in a WS game. I guess the O’s could try to sign a FA for 350 million or something instead

For an ace pitcher with 2.3 years control at the height of their contention window? I don’t think so. If you can argue guys like Beavers and Norby are worth ace pitchers then you can argue they can provide that depth missing if you gave up a couple of the higher end ones. Even if the O’s traded Holliday and Mayo that would still leave them with ample positional depth over the next five plus years Sure they could just trade for someone like Flaherty, but i don’t see how giving up good prospects for a pending free agent versus pitchers such as Crochet or Fedde, who are both significantly outproducing him and under longer control at considerably more reasonable rates of pay, makes any sense when the O’s are in position to win over the next couple years.

I don’t expect the Sox to just give Fedde away either, nor any other team with a similarly quality arm. This is a seller’s market, holmes. There are about sixteen other teams in playoff contention you know, and Fedde’s value with that contract is not low either

I don’t know. I’m not convinced by RolleTide. There’s only so man spots in the lineup, at some point you’d think Elias realize it would be better to convert some of them into high end major leaguers, and the brew crew can’t trade them Burnes for an underwhelming return again.

Yeah well my argument is that it isn’t symptomatic of anything since this move in and of itself has virtually zero impact on Wilson’s value. If some team is interested in adding Wilson to help fill out the back of their bullpen, sending Wilson down temporarily doesn’t change that. Maybe they have a trade worked out for Kopech, they want Wilson to get some rest, and Wilson is back in a few days when they complete that trade, for example. Other pitchers would have to be dfa’d

There’s no urgent reason to necessarily trade Wilson at the deadline though. He would most likely have value next year as well. Could be the Sox have further moves lined up and Wilson is back in a week, in which case this would have virtually zero impact on his trade value at this trade deadline anyway. Seems like a lot of gnashing of teeth over nothing to me. Whether we get some B-/C+ prospect for him now or later I would argue is a pretty minor considerations. It’s not like they dfa’d him

Receiving one of the most dominant starters in the game, who is getting paid 800k at the moment, for 2.3 years, isn’t getting blown away? What do the O’s expect, the Sox to just hand out candy?