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To me, Schriffen is so bad I’d gladly take Beckham over him every day of the week. At least he knows baseball

My main complaint is the seeming lack of relevant knowledge or insight, which doesn’t have anything to do with the condition of the Sox. Then the cringe factor just compounds that. Benetti made me cringe too but it was forgivable due to his vast knowledge of baseball and the Sox along with his obvious genuine sox-ness. In sum, I don’t think Schriffen works any better on a good team. Plenty of good broadcasters have covered bad teams

You actually believe Crochet’s value is lower now than at the beginning of the season??

Kind of hard to sort out what he was saying there with the double negatives, but are you guys saying Hawk was fake?? I mean say what you will about Hawk but he always came off as genuine to me

Are you even a Sox fan?

It’s relevant to the question of whether Milwaukee’s return was underwhelming or not, considering my point is that you can’t expect to get another TOR starter that cheap.

There’s still three weeks until the trade deadline, not sure how you have concluded the Yankees have said no. If they actually want Crochet, they would obviously be aware Crochet is more valuable than Jones. At any rate, the O’s can’t match the Yankees pitching depth as is, even if the Yanks don’t trade for Crochet. You seem to be leaving level of need out of the equation. It isn’t the Sox or the Yanks who have the immediate and near term need to match the level of their competition in terms of starting pitching. The yanks already have five guys you wouldn’t mind starting in a playoff game. After Burnes and Grayson the O’s clearly don’t match up as is

You didn’t answer the question

You’re telling me you’d give up Thorpe, Iriarte, Zavala and Wilson for Ortiz?? No s%*#. My point is, it makes more sense now than ever to pull the trigger on a TOR arm, so the fact the O’s pulled off a better deal for Burnes and that they declined to meet the demand on Cease is irrelevant to the question of whether they will or should meet the price here. Maybe they do or maybe they don’t. But it makes more sense now due to the fact they have all the positional talent converging at the same time they’re in legit position to win a WS or two over the next three years. Either way, no way I trade Crochet without either one of their current top three prospects or one of Westburg or Cowser. It’s ludicrous to suggest the Sox should take any less when he’s clearly a guy you’d want on the hump in a WS game. I guess the O’s could try to sign a FA for 350 million or something instead

For an ace pitcher with 2.3 years control at the height of their contention window? I don’t think so. If you can argue guys like Beavers and Norby are worth ace pitchers then you can argue they can provide that depth missing if you gave up a couple of the higher end ones. Even if the O’s traded Holliday and Mayo that would still leave them with ample positional depth over the next five plus years Sure they could just trade for someone like Flaherty, but i don’t see how giving up good prospects for a pending free agent versus pitchers such as Crochet or Fedde, who are both significantly outproducing him and under longer control at considerably more reasonable rates of pay, makes any sense when the O’s are in position to win over the next couple years.

I don’t expect the Sox to just give Fedde away either, nor any other team with a similarly quality arm. This is a seller’s market, holmes. There are about sixteen other teams in playoff contention you know, and Fedde’s value with that contract is not low either

I don’t know. I’m not convinced by RolleTide. There’s only so man spots in the lineup, at some point you’d think Elias realize it would be better to convert some of them into high end major leaguers, and the brew crew can’t trade them Burnes for an underwhelming return again.

Yeah well my argument is that it isn’t symptomatic of anything since this move in and of itself has virtually zero impact on Wilson’s value. If some team is interested in adding Wilson to help fill out the back of their bullpen, sending Wilson down temporarily doesn’t change that. Maybe they have a trade worked out for Kopech, they want Wilson to get some rest, and Wilson is back in a few days when they complete that trade, for example. Other pitchers would have to be dfa’d

There’s no urgent reason to necessarily trade Wilson at the deadline though. He would most likely have value next year as well. Could be the Sox have further moves lined up and Wilson is back in a week, in which case this would have virtually zero impact on his trade value at this trade deadline anyway. Seems like a lot of gnashing of teeth over nothing to me. Whether we get some B-/C+ prospect for him now or later I would argue is a pretty minor considerations. It’s not like they dfa’d him

Receiving one of the most dominant starters in the game, who is getting paid 800k at the moment, for 2.3 years, isn’t getting blown away? What do the O’s expect, the Sox to just hand out candy?

According to fip, if you give up four doubles off the wall and strikeout three to get out of the inning, you just had an outstanding inning whereas if you give up a solo homerun and get of the inning on three weakly hit infield dribblers you had a bad inning, even though you gave up 1/3 of the runs and got hammered 1/4 the amount of times. That’s why it doesn’t make sense. FIP isn’t a particularly sound measure since it concludes that since fielding may have an impact on some plays, that all fielded balls are irrelevant when it comes to the measure of the quality of pitching. Which is clearly ludicrous. I mean it’s still an interesting stat, but way too much credence given to it when its entire premise, that fielded balls are irrelevent, is completely unsound.

Need to get a KBO pitching coach. They are making excellent major league starters out of formerly extremely mediocre mlb pitchers. And that’s being generous in Suarez’s case

How the hell do you not like Fedde? Dude’s a pitcher’s pitcher. Love watching that guy pitch

Just have to wait until he’s in the Dodger rotation

He has power though

Zavala was ranked 4th in Padres system by MLB pipeline at one point

WestEddy

MLB Pipeline might be the worst of the major prospect rankings

Zavala is way more than a 40 prospect. Depending on the source, the Sox did acquire three top 100 prospects. Baseball America for example had Iriarte ranked as high as 100 and Zavala in the 70s.

Pillars don’t get benched