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I'm pretty confident he is gone. So I'm in the opposite camp. None of us will ever know what Poles thought even this past off-season, maybe ownership said if you feel real strongly fine, but otherwise give it another year and than we can pivot, who knows. At this point though - this many seasons in, there is no scenario, outside of going on a run where this team finishes strong and makes the playoffs - do I see Flus staying. So if they win a couple more games - he's done. If they literally build on this Packer's game and than go rattle off 5 of 6 (or whatever is left) - than yeah, at that point I see the scenario where they are bringing him back. But if they are 8-9 or 7-10...it ain't happening. Poles last year probably bought himself an extra year in his own run by sticking with Flus because he at least gets 2 years with his 2nd head coach, so by waiting one year, he basically guarantees himself a 6 year era to show that he can make it work. I might disagree with that logic and we all know my view was to move on and get Harbaugh, but I get that this people in those types of roles sometimes put that broader mindset to work (not saying it is right either). But yeah - I'm opposite of you guys, I see zero scenario they keep him, barring a complete run into the playoffs (which I'd be shocked at). I will state - most important thing is to see development 2H of the season. I'll also notate, hindisght wise, its a good thing the hard of the schedule came end of the year vs. beginning - because I think had it been inverse the odds of Flus going on a real run that would have created a mirage would have been a real risk. If he goes on a run this year and through this gauntlet - than to some extent I can't ignore how impressive that would be (despite most of that mess being his own doing). Again - no chance it happens cause he can't help himself get in the way of wins.

He did that vs rams as well. Cool thing is Caleb has had 3 weeks where he was top 5 in QBR thus far this season. So while previous 2 weeks were bad - this bounce back was good and he has had some other pretty positive weeks as well.

Will be interesting to see how they respond vs Vikings. Flores runs a defense that can throw fits on a rookie qb so curious how Caleb and offense follow this week up. Would be great to see more positive momentum from Caleb and the offense.

In reality that outcome wasn’t bad - players bounced back and played better - draft pick will be better because of it too. At this point it’s all about development

At least he’s gone. Accountability

This is great to hear!

Biggs was saying this since the start of the season if you read his stuff. Liked the quotes I heard from Waldron and players today. First time in a while…but I also admit it is just talk and it’s not going to change overnight. But man would be great to strike lightning in a bottle with Brown and see this thing turn around for Caleb and the rest of the Bears!!!

And right now - I don't need wholesale improvements overnight - but I need to start seeing progress. Start there - reset the season and get back to the basics. Can't scrap a playbook overnight, but you can shrink it and really dial it in. Hopefully the players can rally around Brown cause it just seems like there is a lot of talk from the offense but little backing it up. Defensively they talk but largely back it up.

Completely agree. I think Caleb is part of this and he has to be better - but this was just not a good move. Year one was always going to be a learning year - and there has been good - but I don't want to see the rest of the season be bad. They got to really work to get this right. If I'm Poles and Cunningham I'm getting my hands very dirty here as well - because the future of the franchise and their jobs rests on Caleb as well so they got to be embedded and more involved in what changes will be made because they are the only ones that are really going to be sticking around over the long-run (or who have a shot at it). But Thomas Brown - he clearly has all kinds of skin in the game here. He turns this ship around - he is the absolute biggest beneficiary. Flus is gone at this point - but there is the element of pride and getting that next gig. I was also kind of surprised in fairness that they didn't make a change on the oline either.

It was so close - I can live with whiffing on Keenen, you kind of live and learn there. I just think we have too much to go around and the guys aren't bought in right now - which is a HUGE issue on offense. There is clearly no buy-in. I think they put WAY too much on the rookie QB (in hindsight easy to say) and its kind of creating a total mess. At this point - there has to be a hard reset back to the basics and a big shift. But they could have nailed it - get Harbaugh or just start the clock fresh immediately and you are at least in a better spot. But I get the concept of good franchise(s) usually are more patient franchise(s)...but it just doesn't work.

Biggs has been indicating the offensive players haven't been impressed since the season started. Its been pretty clear. I think Waldron doesn't know how to put that pressure on. I don't know that Brown does either. They just let McVay do it in their day and it isn't like Brown was a best with the Panthers. At this point - it is just so sickening to me they could have gotten Harbaugh and didn't. Those types of coaches who are cultural game changers don't grow on trees. Tomlin(s), Harbaugh(s), Reid, etc. I don't think Lincoln Riley is that - I have zero interest in him. I'd rather go Kingsbury and I'm still not sold there. But if Kingsbury could come with a Vrabel that might change me. I actually don't mind Vrabel at this point - because i don't think he's a bad coach. Ben Johnson I am fine with - my only hesitation is how much is Campbell driving the pressure and culture vs. the x's and o'x that Ben does. Can he drive a culture and set it and be the HC.

I always knew Flus was meh….but what this week has shown is Poles is no better cause he is now allowing this indecisiveness to rot the locker room and waste this season.

Maybe that is Sox best angle. Dodgers get him in 24 pool and Sox go sign a few dodgers 24 guys with their remaining salary. lol - so sad the state of the franchise.

I agree - but I don’t get why they don’t address quicker. But I guess as long as they do by tomorrow the players have a day to get their minds adjusted before practice starts on Wednesday…but it feels like you’d want the coaches staying to have a day to get their message and approach dialed in so they can hit ground running on Wednesday.

Exactly - I see no scenario where keeping Waldron makes any sense. If you guys are saying they aren't getting rid of them than lets just continue to expect the worst.

Are you serious - they aren't making any changes. That makes ZERO sense.

In fairness - last week was as banged up as an oline can get...but the Bears have some guys who have consistently been banged up which is on them. Now on paper it still isn't a great oline and some of the scheme / talent eval seems to be missing. Not sure which. I expect the oline will improve with their 2 starting tackles back and with Bates getting more footing. If you get your tackles back with Bates and Jenkins and Shelton in the middle - I'm not saying it is great, but that is a big step up from what played most of yesterday. But I think you do it with a new OC who potentially makes tweaks - and at this point - I think simpler has to be the trend of direction cause there is only so much you can change in an offense during the course of a season, which is what makes it hard. However - how they haven't isolated Moore and Kmet and others on key plays and split the field to simplify things for the QB just isn't good. They obviously don't have a go-to way to run the ball, but it seems like we need a hard reset. I don't expect a lot that can be done - but they have to do stuff different.

There is no way that is true. That is a rumor I won't believe. I can understand why you don't move on from him now, because you don't have an OC or someone else to turn this thing over to to be the HC. But even than - at this point it feels so bad (now maybe the defensive room is still pretty locked in - so you think you can get a big lift by just getting rid of Waldron and turning it over to Brown so it can be his show). I DO NOT believe you can keep Waldron in the building and just get rid of his play calling. At this point - a real change has to happen.

Yeah - its terrible.

I would be thrilled if they finished 4-4. Right now I don’t know that they win a game. Waldron has to be fired and at this point I am worried. I think Caleb will be fine but this is more than just coaching.

If I’m Warren’s I’m cleaning house.

Lux for Robert is non sensical but I could very well see Dodgers interested in Robert’s. I think it comes down to what sort of value could Sox get - if it isn’t there I’m not trading him….lets see what a new manager can do for him and just a reset after a tough season.

I think he is traded by the winter meetings.

You are spot on everywhere in this thread and a strong Philly offer is one I could be very excited about.

Agree - what he did was incredible. Hadn’t played in ten plus years and dropped into AA with some success. He would have figured it out…not saying he would have been great given the late start but he would have made the majors and stuck around had he stayed. And I imagine if he went full time MLB and never played basketball, he probably would have been pretty good. He was just one of those gifted people at sports and his work ethic and will to win was off the charts. Dude wasn’t going to let himself fail.