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  1. I’m just glad it seems like they are going for a reset and a youth movement of sorts.
  2. This - and I think we will see more and maybe Derozan sticks around as a vet. But I’m fine if they do something creative with Vic, sign and trade Demar, and than maybe I get pleasantly surprised with Zach (even though I truly believe putting him on a young team for a month or two and him healthy he will put up efficient stats and get his trade value to a point it is a bit more salvageable. Better yet Lonzo somehow does anything and they can flip him in season for something.
  3. Totally forgot today is the NBA draft.
  4. I should note - the above team wouldn’t be good, so it’s going to get a top 5 pick which is impprtant given depth of next years draft and team should be in a good cap situation with an improving back drop as well.
  5. I think if I were AK, Vuc is getting dealt, Derozan I try and sign and trade and Lavine I keep and deal in season. On Vuc - if I had to take or facilitate a contract or do something creative I would do it. I also probably would prefer facilitating a sign and trade with Pat Williams but as long as no one makes a ridiculous offer, I suppose matching any reasonable deal for his 2nd contract could end up being ok. For the record - I think Lavine with no Demar and no Vuc…but with White, Giddey, Ayo, Pat and whomever else is presumably young and athletic probably allows Zach to be pretty free and basically rebuild his stats. Than deal him - barring another major injury his value is as low as it gets, why not see if he can enhance it a bit.
  6. They should have won by 6 - but overall can’t complain. Tourney starts for real on Thursday against Panama and than a real tough one against Uraguay. Would be nice to beat Panama and know they are in.
  7. They need him to have a big time month. If he does that I think he gets moved, if he is meh, I think you hope he finishes the rest of the year strong and you deal him in the offseason.
  8. Would an Ingram for Lavine deal be fair? Bulls get younger - small forward / power forward so decent fit. Maybe run a small lineup or something. Than flip Ingram at deadline if he is doing much? Probably no reason Pelicans do it but I don’t think his value is super high either.
  9. Let’s be fair / yes he was fast. He also was 26 and done nothing. It isn’t like it’s a 21 year old who had minimal experience.
  10. With Vuc - he hasn't had real value for 2+ years. Lavine is the one that really hurts - cause he had some legitimate value prior to his injury / things going sour. But whatever - it is what it is. Demar wasn't getting a lot last year at the deadline - so I think they can salvage something for him in a sign and trade.
  11. I don't disagree - to your point - Getz could make all the wrong moves like every other past front office, maybe those deals don't work. But if Getz was a new front office guy (hired outside) - I think people would be a bit more objective that thus far there was at least logic and some payoff to what he has done. It could turn out that none of those guys pan out and he gets crap for Cease and all the other picks and this team is an absolute disaster. Quite honestly - given the Sox, I kind of expect it - but at this point - I don't think his rational has been poor. Hahn on the other end - outside of maybe a 12 month string of good luck - almost none of his moves ever made a ton of sense to me and had very little strategic / roster building rationale.
  12. That is my point - at least it is different. If what they do completely blows up - they at least are at a better starting point from a cap flexibility perspective and presumably draft basis as well (as I assume they'll get some semblance of picks back - even if not great ones - when they move a few more players). Just like the Sox though - nothing could have been quite worse than the direction the Bulls were headed the past couple of years.
  13. Lonzo made material adjustments to his 3 - his first 2 seasons in the NBA he average 30-31% and than 3rd year took a major jump. I believe Lonzo's 3rd season would have been when he was 23/24 years old for reference as well. Also - just because Lonzo made major enhancements does not mean the Giddey will go from 30-31% in his 1st two years to a high volume 40% 3pt shooter like Lonzo did by year 4 and 5.
  14. Probably not - but I can't really argue this trade that much. If you asked me Giddey or the OKC #12 pick or whatever first rounder they had this year, I would have told you give me Giddey. Giddey isn't even available for Caruso back at last year's deadline. Bulls are buying a guy in year 3 at a low coming off a series that OKC lost where he wasn't a good schematic fit. He has been a 3 year starter, I have to imagine his off the court issues impacted him as well (now if we want to rip this move for that reason that is fine by me). But in terms of pure basketball move - I don't think trading a 31 year old pending UFA - who is a great role player and a GREAT get for OKC for a 21 year old who has been a starting caliber player on a very good NBA team (and whose strenght's probably weren't ascentuated by his teammates given he had to play more off ball than his skillset would indicate - as would 98% of the league if you were playing next to Shae). I also happen to think, more often than not, NBA group think isn't so good. Last year it was Celtics maybe paid too much for Jrue and Bucks were in business getting Dame. Same with Celtics picking up Porzinkis when they did - no one viewed that as a great move. Or Kyrie was a trainwreck....almost anyone could have picked him up last year....but than he puts it all together with Luka. Just saying - Bulls are paying for a guy at his high and NBA players at his age continue to develop a long time. Plenty of guys who continue to take material steps forward at 21 and beyond - so he already has set his floor as an NBA starting caliber player (not star) with potential to go further and as an RFA you at least have control. If Bulls keep Demar to be a vet around the youngsters - fine, I get that, but I can't imagine Demar coming here to do that job (I have to imagine he wants to play in the playoffs). So go younger, they are going to add another young player with their pick...if they resign Patrick Williams they will stay super young - at that point they absolutely need to find some quality vets though to make sure you have good vets, even if they aren't great players, who can make sure the work ethic and that is instilled. One other difference with the Bulls - I don't love Billy Donovan - but he is a legitimate NBA caliber coach who is actually very well respected and liked in the league. He isn't Pedro Grifol or Boylan and I think giving him a younger nucleus that will push tempo is maybe not a bad thing. Note: I don't like our front office - I just think their lack of action for 2+ years when things were twindling made no sense, so I don't like that they are getting this chance - but this move isn't terrible, just like Getz, as bad as this team is and while I would argue he shouldn't have got the job, I think since he's gotten here they have at least taken steps to improve things. It isn't like he came in and signed 2 more Benitendi type deals to pretend compete. He signed veteran stop gap guys to 1 year deals and made some trades and I have to imagine is going to trade some more players, including some of those stop gaps he acquired. So on paper - the minor league talent should be better - regardless of how bad the major league team is. We can rip the free agent/trades he made with veteran catchers - but Fedde, Pham, Grossman, & Dejong are going to get the Sox some decent pieces. So what that Lopez, Maldy, and the other catcher won't pan out? We also probably can deal Brebbia if he can build on the more positive momentum and get something for Wilson. I'm not saying they will get a ton for Brebbia - but something. So the way I see it - I think his off-season moves will end up a net positive in terms of the give back to the Sox and the misses were very manageable misses (as in - one year deals - and you know when you know when you are doing this - you are going to have hits and misses - but at this point I actually think relative to free agent expectations, he actually did pretty decent as a whole). Plus he supported Crochet moving to starting pitcher - which if teams are willing to pay a premium - is another big move that happened under his watch (also to Crochet's credit and the organizational pitching support staff).
  15. I will caveat - if Zach is dealt, I think it happens between now and draft night - don’t see it dragging out past than. If market isn’t their by than, it isn’t showing up…at that point you probably have to plan on first part of this year being the Zach rehabilitation plan where you do everything you can to improve his trade value.
  16. I am thinking this is the start of rebuild - so you got a guy who is 21, long, athletic and a very good passer who started 80 games for a 1 seed. He is not a good 3 point shooter which is his major issue - but he has improved each of past 3 years there and is literally 21. I love Caruso and I get the hype over draft picks but we weren’t getting a top 5 pick for Caruso. Should they have gotten a pick or some 2nd rounders, sure but I don’t know it matters a ton. I don’t have a major opinion on Giddey cause I haven’t watched a ton of his game - but trading a 30 year old elite role player for a 21 year old player who will be an RFA (so Bulls control him) who is like 4th in the league in triple doubles the past few years and had a pretty damn good 2nd year before taking a step back this past year (but his per minutes production was still pretty good)…isn’t something I can get too mad about. At least roster is getting a lot younger and I think this probably makes retaining our own draft pick more likely. But Ayo, Coby, Godfrey…not great but at least it is some youth…depending on what they do with Williams (we all know I am not a fan but he is young too)…than make sure you have some quality vets but at least you are giving a ton of minutes to young players and seeing if they can grow (none are stars but maybe 25pick becomes something and than see what happens after they dump Vuc and Lavine (or at this point maybe Lavine isn’t an awful Option running for a few months on this squad putting up empty stats (but regaining some trade value) and sign and trade Demar for some picks. After last few years of going in on vets and doing nothing I can’t get too mad at getting a young player who has shown something and certainly has real potential.
  17. To be honest - I just want different. If different blows up than no excuse for new front office and maybe they luck into a lottery pick and can finally start to go somewhere.
  18. They got younger. I suppose away from Shae maybe he can bloom a bit more? Super young - Ala Lauri Markanen was
  19. I actually was refreshed by the answer - it was honest. JR said his nonsense but it’s clear Getz is bringing it down to the studs - Pedro will be gone by end of the year. I don’t think Getz is greatest in world but what he is doing fundamentally has made sense. No long term deals / seems very open to dealing almost anyone not on a full rookie timeline - made a couple high risk high reward moves, some worked but some didn’t - but none had long term risk.
  20. I wonder if you slide him to like a once a week program for rest of the season - so more innings but more rest in between?
  21. Sosa - let’s keep hitting around order so he can hit a triple for the cycle!!! Or bullpen can blow it so we play extras hahah. I love west coast games when I can watch games easier.
  22. Baseball is fun when your team hits 4hrs!!! Way to go Lee!!!
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