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I presume it is true - but I also presume JR knew darn well this year's team would be miserable and it was more of a - why waste perfectly good money when the new guy is clearly going to fail in '24 anyway. The greatest manager in the world maybe makes this team lose 95 games instead of 100-105. And there are almost no buildable / pliable players on the MLB roster right now to really ruin (and I presume any decision(s) on Crochet's usage for example are really up to Getz). Plus do you want to start your manager 1 year in the hole when you know it is a 3 year pit. So in reality - I think if I was JR - I wouldn't have made the move 1 season in either - would have given it 2 just knowing how ugly things were. Now if this was a legitimately good team and they intended to retool on the fly and spend big money - yeah, than you need to eat whatever Pedro gets paid.

This - but if I were them - I would let Grifol play it out for this season than make the shift. They will still be bad next year and at least the stink is far more on Grifol and Jirschele can start with a roster with more guys who at least came through him in the system, etc.

I don't see why anyone with a decent resume would take this job - especially from the outside. The 26 man roster is as bad as I have ever seen from a White Sox team. The near term replacements and depth in the system is also weak...improving but still weak. Its hard to even squint and see much at this point. At this point you kind of just have to ride Grifol as a total fall guy for a full season and than maybe they somehow luck into a few good deals and a couple guys coming up and some of the younger guys on the roster actually take the step forward, but any way you shake it - its going to be a few years before there are any signs of life. This roster is awful but next year's will likely be nearly as awful, maybe a little more interest with people like Ramos and Montgomery on the roster and hopefully some of the younger arms starting to come up...and maybe Crochet showing he can handle workload of being a starter and perform consistently as a front line starter.

My best guess for people the Sox might be able to trade for real value - under certain conditions: Fedde - If he is pitching well - he will be attractive given his contract and fact a team would have him for another year. Kopech - If he is showing off as a dynamic reliever - I think the Sox can get real value for him. If he is just meh, nothing, but if he's actually looking dynamic out of the pen as a 1-2 inning closer/legit weapon, yeah I think they can get some serious value at the deadline. Moncada - Expiring - so if he is playing well and healthy - I think we could be surprised and he certainly has it in him in a contract year to put up. Not saying you are getting a high end prospect but you could get some raw talent and/or a piece and some international money or something like that. Clevinger - He's cheap, no option connected, and if he actually pitches well (say another year removed from injury he is better than he was last year (say the FIP matches the ERA and is mid 3's - not saying I would predict it but its certainly possible), I do think at the deadline you would see a team give up something of value for him (not saying some Top 100 guy but I think a productive Clevinger will be more valuable than we think this deadline vs. last (last deadline the option, coming off the DL, and still pretty fresh from all the headline news). The above I know is an out there view - but at deadline if a bunch of teams are in the mix and have some injuries in the rotation, having someone who can take the ball - to some extent even a benefit that he starts the year a month late (so he'll have a bit more left on his arm for a stretch run). If I squint: Eloy - There probably is some alternate universe where he comes back from this abbductor injury and actually stays healthy and puts up an .850-.900 OPS. If that happens - I suppose you might get a team looking for a bat who makes a deal. BUT you aren't going to get much given that injury history. Soroka - I suppose there is a world where Soroka ends up being better than I think and you can get a raw player or someone in a 40 man roster crunch. That's it - I don't see anyone else tradeable (for anything other than say a bag of balls). I'm ignoring Robert cause I can't imagine you get maximum value for him at the deadline if he's coming back from injury and same with Crochet. If he is approaching his innings limit and pitching well - I don't know that a team would give you the value it would take to make that move. Note: Above also tells you why this team is so bad. I mean the whole roster is basically filled with nothing burgers.

I wonder if this keeps up, will Hahn come back. His teams were always better than this

Why is he being compared to 1B. If he can't play SS - he would still be a very viable 3B candidate. And he has a quick bat and tons of power and I expect more HR power will develop. I'm huge on Montgomery. Swing is beautiful.

I was thinking the opposite - I'm going to stare at the eclipse for a while - than watch the game on mute - hopefully at that point I'll think the other team is the White Sox and stick with that theme all season long. 140-22 here we come.

I just hope he comes back and is healthy the rest of the season and mashes. If he does - than I think you think about trading him in the off-season and if not that than you hope he continues healthy next season up until the break and you trade him than. Its sad - cause he is a special talent and player - but this team has to get rid of its best players cause the entire foundation was blown to smitharines. They also pretty much need to operate more like a Oakland/Tampa with the way they manage long-term contracts and payrolls - and get to the point where they aren't loyal to players and really are always focused on maximizing returns, even if it is a year early vs. late and rely on development programs etc. The bad part is - they have shown no ability to develop anyone but I'll at least give the new regime (given there were a # of outside hires) time to show me one way or the other. But I see a scenario where the White Sox for the next 30 years are like the Pirates post Bonds/Van Slyke. At least if this current ownership regime remains.

I wonder if Kentucky tries making a run at Billy Donovan.

The point was why cut him over other stiffs. This is poor roster management. Not saying Popeye will be any good - but don’t cut the 22 year old who has flashed a little bit when you have a bunch of crap that is old and proven to be turds on the 40 man. Note: If Jose did something awful - fine - move him, but let’s not imply the Sox have shown they have much of a standard there.

This is a trash move. Trash. They have a bunch of hasbeens that are old with no upside and you drop a 22 year old who has at least flashed at times. Good grief.

What - draft a franchise qb and build around them? Novel concept - when you hit on the qb. If you hit - than you can actually miss a few of these moves and still look like geniuses. Inverse is if you miss on qb - you can have a few big hits and it won’t cover up the inverse unless you really hit and have an elite d and everything else.

Wohoo

Hopefully he pitches well and they can get something for him in July

My goodness - knock on wood - this seems like a year where we should get someone pretty damn good at 5. Love top end of this draft. Whether it’s Smith (who is nasty on the mound) or Montgomery or Cam Smith or any of the others.

I am just hoping by summer we have a few top prospects who earned their way up and are playing well / giving us excitement and that anyone who is more of a trade asset is playing their way to a spot we can pivot. When it comes to the bullpen - I legit don’t even know who have the guys were that pitched today and we probably won’t remember any of them in long run anyway given most are complete journeymen. But if Leasure and Garcia do good - that is what I care about. Same with the younger players in lineup. I hope Robert has many games like today and Yoan and Eloy find a way to stay healthy and productive all season so club can actually get something for them.

Likewise - echo the same and wish you all the best as you fight such a shitty disease!!!

I am excited about this - cause I can squint and see a future where new ownership is in place for the Sox with a state of the art stadium and finally I can have a positive view of this franchise again - at the same time - Bears should also have a state of the art franchise and are hopefully in the middle of an amazing run led by Caleb, Poles and company.

I see many scenarios where QB's go 1-4. I don't know that Arizona is going to take one, but i suppose if they traded Kyler than it would be on the table.

I suppose I could see it happening as you have heard the reports that some teams like Naber(s) over him and if the top 4 qb's go - I certainly could see a scenario where Chargers take the tackle. I don't know if Tennessee would also take the next tackle there or would they move down to a team looking to move up to get MHJ. Crazier things have happened though and I wouldn't complain.

Always a great perk for having Tmobile!!!

I do presume any losing team's manager and GM would probably be saying the same things. But Grifol just seems even more over the top than I've seen. I do get the - you don't want to say we suck - cause teams have to have some belief, even if they know the odds are extremely low and they need to have that mindset that they have a chip on their shoulder. For many of these players - the reality is - the chip is them playing well enough to get sent somewhere else - cause very few of the players on the opening day roster are likely on this roster in 3 years, but if they do well - they can certainly help make the roster that the club has in 3 years much better (in terms of helping the club use them to acquire prospect capital or draft picks or international money, etc).

I will say - seeing these wide receiver contracts - Mike Williams signing for $15M coming off an ACL injury - it certainly makes me want to say just take the darn receiver and deal with the having a couple holes on the dline (its too bad though - cause the Hunter deal could have bought everyone time and Bears could have 100% afforded to do it while paying Keenan).

I wouldn't put it past him - although my preference would have been to just buy your way out of the situation - whether a 1yr deal with Chase Young or poke around and see who else becomes a cap casualty or just continue to monitor the free agent marketplace. You still have Clowney out there - who isn't a bad option. He put up 9.5 sacks last year on a good Ravens defense. Maybe they resign Ngakoue...don't know what his recovery looks like from that injury. I'd prefer Clowney. Eagles might have a few that free up as well - whether Hassan Reddick or someone else? I think Sweat restructured so he's off the table.

I presume its an opener role and he is going 2-3 innings - hopefully 2-3 scoreless innings and given off-days and everything else and fact Sox don't really have anyone that "earned" it, I suppose it makes sense. I don't buy into he is any more at risk going on opening day than another day or that because it is colder he is more at risk. They are professional athletes and are going to train and prep and warm-up. If he is that fragile - what should they do - sit him out all of March/April cause it could be cold? And I get it - he might actually be that fragile - but if he is - he'll be back on the DL regardless.