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26 Year Old Sidney Ponson is also out their. Carlos Lee for Ponson would still work, imo. Although, I don't want to give up Carlos Lee.

Is Ismael Valdes all that bad of an option? He seems to be getting a lot less pub then Omar Daal, but if you compare numbers, Valdes may of had the better season. First off Ismael pitched in the American League, and did so in the toughest division in baseball, the American League West. He went 8-12 with a 4.18 era and through 196 innings, making 31 starts, with one complete game. Opponents hit just .257 against him and in his career, they hit .255 against him. Could he of figured things back out? How about signing this guy for like a million bucks. I was always a huge fan of his back in his days with the Dodgers and he's only 29 years old. He doesn't turn 30 until August 21st. Omar Daal 11-9 with a 3.90 era. He made 23 starts and pitched 161.1 innings. Opponents hit just .39 off of him. Career wise they have hit .264 against him. He turns 31 on March 1st and is looking for a long term deal with 3 million a year. Seems to me like the safer bet would be to get Valdes as you wouldn't be tying things up long term.

New Orleans Bowl Cincinnati (7-6) vs. North Texas (7-5) -North Texas GMAC Bowl Marshall (10-2) vs. Louisville (7-5) -Marshall Mazda Tangerine Bowl Clemson (7-5) vs. Texas Tech (8-5) -Texas Tech Sega Sports Las Vegas Bowl UCLA (7-5) vs. New Mexico (7-6) -UCLA ConAgra Foods Hawaii Bowl Hawaii (10-3) vs. Tulane (7-5) -Hawaii Motor City Bowl Boston College (8-4) vs. Toledo (9-4) -Boston College Insight Bowl Pittsburgh (8-4) vs. Oregon State (8-4) -Pitt Houston Bowl Southern Miss (7-5) vs. Oklahoma St . (7-5) -Oklahoma St. MainStay Independence Bowl Nebraska (7-6) vs. Mississippi (6-6) -Mississippi Pacific Life Holiday Bowl Kansas State (10-2) vs. Arizona State (8-5) -Kansas State MasterCard Alamo Bowl Colorado (9-4) vs. Wisconsin (7-6) -Colorado Continental Tire Bowl West Virginia (9-3) vs. Virginia (8-5) -West Virginia Gaylord Hotels Music City Bowl Arkansas (9-4) vs. Minnesota (7-5) -Minnesota Seattle Bowl Oregon (7-5) vs. Wake Forest (6-6) -Oregon crucial.com Humanitarian Bowl IV Iowa State (7-6) vs. Boise State (11-1) -Boise State Wells Fargo Sun Bowl Purdue (6-6) vs. Washington (7-5) -Washington Silicon Valley Football Classic Georgia Tech (7-5) vs. Fresno State (8-5) -Fresno State AXA Liberty Bowl Colorado State (10-3) vs. TCU (9-2) -TCU Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl Tennessee (8-4) vs. Maryland (10-3) -Maryland Diamond Walnut San Francisco Bowl Air Force (8-4) vs. Virginia Tech (9-4) -Virginia Tech Outback Bowl Florida (8-4) vs. Michigan (9-3) -Michigan SBC Cotton Bowl Texas (10-2) vs. LSU (8-4) -Texas Toyota Gator Bowl NC State (10-3) vs. Notre Dame (10-2) -Notre Dame Capital One Bowl Penn State (9-3) vs. Auburn (8-4) -Penn State Rose Bowl presented by Sony PS2 Oklahoma (11-2) vs. Washington St. (10-2) -Washington State Nokia Sugar Bowl Georgia (12-1) vs. Florida State (9-4) -Georgia FedEx Orange Bowl Iowa (11-1) vs. USC (10-2) -Iowa Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Ohio State (13-0) vs. Miami (12-0) -Miami Good God, their are a lot of bowls to pick.

Or a 3rd baseman or outfielder. It all depends on where they decide to stick Chipper.

IT makes sense for both sides involved. The question is who will they be willing to move. Of course, I think they do this only if they get Maddux back, which all signs point to yes. The Braves still need first base help. I actually think Carlos Lee would make more sense for them though, as they aren't looking to pick up salary. Heck, they could even be interested in someone like Liefer. We'll have to wait a week or so and see if anything comes up.

Terms aren't disclosed, but he's now off the list. Its quickly looking like the Sox only option will be plan b or a blockbuster deal. Also, it looks as if the Braves are going to be getting Greg Maddux back as Scott Boras is hinting they will accept arbitration, which will keep him a Brave for at least one more season.

Ya, they gave up a second good prospect. Still, Honel is our premier prospect, they didn't give up their premier prospect and a quality major league pitcher. Either way I do agree that the Braves did give up more then the so called Sox offer.

Thats a pretty stinking good rotation. It got them a lot younger and they saved a ton of money. Their gm may know what he's doing after all. I like the idea of Clemens. Right now it appears that if the Yanks get Colon, his options are the Red Sox, and the Texas teams. None of the Texas teams have the money to bring him in, and the Red Sox so far haven't been interested, leaving the Sox out their, if that is true.

I think the Twins should pick him up as their ace.

Do they just stick with plan B or consider going after someone like Andy Ashby or sign a Paul Byrd. Of course Colon and Vazquez are still out their and the Reds are supposedly willing to deal Dempster and the Marlins could be willing to deal Penny. Also, Sidney Ponson is still out their as well. Personally, I'd still like to see that rumored 8 player deal or at least see the Sox try to get Colon without giving up Garland.

Ya, O'Neal is the only guy that interests me. Thanks for the info Doub.

Great post. I think Ortiz would of definately been able to win 18-20, but hey, the Braves got him at a higher price. I will continue to say that would of been like us trading Garland or maybe Wright for Ortiz. Of course I would of probably done Wright for Ortiz, but it still wouldn't really solve the rotation, it would just be an upgrade. Interesting to see what Jayson Stark said. I think he's a pretty reliable reporter, much more so, then say Peter Gammons.

Welcome Aboard hold2dibbler. I'm glad I have at least someone uttering the same thing I am. The only thing Rogers is saying that those names were mentioned, but you don't know who was doing the mentioning or if it was even a deal, they could of still been discussing players. Also, Cubkilla, the Braves were rumored to be after him yesterday (I Know you missed a lot of the stuff that happenned earlier in the day, but they were very interested as well)

Lol, at least with crack you lose weight or something like that. Isn't that what the models take?

I wasn't for trading Konerko for Ortiz, but Ortiz has been an above .500 pitcher for the last four seasons. And, according to the above posts, KW sat on a Ortiz for Liefer/Harris/Malone deal. Sitting on that deal for an above .500 pitcher the last four seasons when the team you GM needs starting pitching badly is unacceptable. The fact that Atlanta wasn't mentioned last night and now they have Ortiz proves that someone was skeptical of pulling the trigger on the above deal. Considering SF was looking to trim payroll, that only leaves one person..... KW!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: They don't say he sat on it, they say that those were some of the names passed. We don't know if thats what he offered or if thats what Sabean offered.

"Immediately" is the key thought here Chisoxfn. If KW sat on that offer and, by sitting on it, Atlanta was able to move in with the better offer, then KW should be FIRED!!!!! Goddamn..... that was relatively nothing for Ortiz! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Well if we were giving up Malone and Harris I could see sitting on it. Plus, we don't know if Sabean was negotiating with both sides at the same time, trying to increase the value. I know the Braves were interested in yesterday as well.

Well, I will continue to say he doesn't deserve to. I don't really care about the fact that he bet on other sports, but this guy bet on baseball, and against the Reds. Their are big time reasons this guy agreed to the life-time ban on baseball as long as the evidence stayed hidden and the buffoon still denies it. I also think many forget that Pete Rose wasn't the first this happened to. Many call it the Rose rule, but Shoeless Joe and others were given the same ban before him, so Pete knew what would happen. Gambling almost ruined the integrity of baseball in the beginning of the 20th century. If you get caught doing it, its simple. Rose should of apologized way back when. If he apologizes now, I don't see it as sympethatic. An apology should not get him back into the everyday life of baseball. If he gets into the hall after admitting it, then I won't be furious, but only if its the Hall of Fame. He's still got to carry out the rest of that ban.

Should the guy be allowed to enter the Hall of Fame?

The only one that looks decent is the guy we got from the Angels. He doesn't have much pitching experience, so he's a project, but he supposedly has decent stuff.

Well, I can only agree with one thing, Clayton's attitude must not of helped the team. I didn't know the guy so I can't say if he's really an ass or not. I thought the guy would be pretty good and I never really hated Clayton, cause he played good defense. This year if Jose plays great, most everyone out their will prove me wrong, but I still don't see him as a shortstop, but I can live with him for another year.

Cubkilla, I agree they were discussing the deal, but from what someone else posted here it was Willie Harris, Jeff Liefer, and Corwin Malone or Josh Stewart. For all we know KW was going to make that deal and then the Braves offer came in. That offer blows ours out of the water. Damian Moss is an awesome pitcher. If we could get him, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I don't think anyone expected him to have a BA of .100 or lower for the first two months of 2001 and 2002. Well, if you looked at his stats, you could kind of expect it. He's typically a slow starter that has one amazing half and is going to catch everything hit to him. Myette is a bum, so we didn't give up anything special.

Well, it looks like neither side could agree. That and the fact that the Braves offer was way better.

As LDF said, Diaz was acquired in the Kenny Lofton deal. Stuff wise, he's compared to Pedro Martinez or Juan Cruz. This kid has one of the best arms in the minor leagues, the question is his health. When the guy is healthy he is a legit ace in waiting, but the question is if he can stay healthy.

Well, it seems like the Expos Gm at least respects him. I know I know, maybe thats because he thinks he'll give up too much for him. Still, maybe KW is figuring things out. Remember, just cause a deal is reported, like Ortiz for prospects, doesn't mean thats all it would of took.