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The biggest problem is the make shift line thats their. Thomas just runs way to high. Lower himself and he will fall forward when hit, but he always is getting hit backwards.

There's a reason he won the Reliever of the Year award for the minor leagues....he's pretty damn good. Who cares what round he was drafted in? Mark Johnson was a 1st rounder...he's no Mike Piazza, is he? Speaking of Piazza, wasn't he drafted in about the 38th round of something? Well one of the minor leaguers was a 2nd round pick. I liked Valentine, but he did get beat up and may of even of been injured when he played against the best competition in the AFL.

Any dropouts or skipping? should sound similar to real radio if you have a good connection. Its sounding SCHWEET

Alot of people liked the toad Ritchie trade too last year buying KW's "veteran starter..... innings-eater" BS. We shall see. I remember a lot of people liking that move and I was the one person who complained about Kip Wells being in that deal. Baggio complained about that too. Most others were talking about how great Ritchie was. I didn't whine about Lowe and I liked Fogg, but I didn't whine about him. Lowe failed, Fogg was decent, but would never of done anything with the Sox, and I don't think he'll be anything other then an avg. player on a bad Pirates team.

He had decent numbers last year in A ball. I don't know if this guy is for sure in the deal, but from what I've heard he's one of the players. He's a 22 year old lefty, turns 23 on March 25th. 12-6 with a 4.12 era. He made 28 starts and pitched 137.2 innings of work. Our ISU expert, Heather the Redbird will give an indepth scouting report when she's done with work. I'm looking forward to reading it Heather

I'm gonna dig up some info on the one minor leaguer they are saying we acquired. So far they haven't listed the name of the other and I'm guessing its because he's not on the A's 40 man roster. His name is Neal Cotts.

If I had known that we could of at least been agreeing on something for the past year. He lucked out on getting Odalis Perez for Sheffield, but I'll give him credit for that, but man oh man, Brian Jordan sucks. I don't even want to get started when it comes to talking about what they gave up to get Shuey. They gave up their two top prospects for a mid reliever.

I go for the Thong or the G string, hell ya.

Lyman was playing damn good too. The hell with Baxter. I like Davis, Lyman and I like this new guy Gilmore. He's a rookie out of Penn State whose pretty good. Damn, this is the 2nd time Lymans torn the ACL too, it could be career threatening cause its hard to come back from that surgery multiple times.

Thats for sure. Personaly I say good riddance to Thomas, I hope we trade his sorry ass for a second round pick and draft a good running back. We'll all see Leon Johnson and Adrian Peterson do something decent on the ground. Thomas has terrible vision and runs way too upright. Plus, how many f***ing times is he going to catch the ball wide open and then do his best James Allen jump and jig impression and end up getting stopped short of the first time. Take advantage of Thomas's name and go draft someone good.

So Do I

what'd he say? Michelle was the one who informed us of the deal that was going to go down. She reported it and then Soxnet reported it on the main page as well. Many didn't buy into it because they didn't find it on the main stream sites, but hey, chalk this up as a win for the smaller sites. I guess many at other sites ripped into the rumor, but hey, thats their perogative and I think we all know Michelle was right!!!

Damn..thats interesting, but also a great move for them, big time. Dan Evans blows.

I'd just like the mention the only reason they are named ptbnl is that you can't deal a minor league player that isn't on your 40 man roster until late December because Minor League Rosters are frozen. That means that this guys could be real good prospects, they could be AAA and then again they could be terrible prospects in Rookie ball, but just cause its a ptbnl, it doesn't mean they stink, thats just the case during regular season trades. Man, I can't wait for the Winter Meetings cause I think thats when the next deal goes down, the one that gets us our starter.

Damn it, I wish I had a Chicago radio feed out here in Cali. Thats real cool that you got to go on their Cerb.

I'm with you. Reason being, the Dodgers gave up two serviceable players for one really crappy player and I think dollar wise the deal is about the same for both teams. Mark is a decent 2nd baseman or shortstop and has plenty of versatility. If you look at his offensive numbers, minus this season, you'll see that the guy is a very good hitting infielder and an everyday player. Then look at Karros and he's a serviceable first baseman, nothing special, but he does a good job, and when healthy he's pretty good.

Preach on Cerb, Preach On

Valentine probably will turn out like most minor league relievers do, and thats into nothing special. We have so much depth we can afford to give it up, especially since we are getting two PTBNL in return. I like this deal any way we look at it, I'll love it if we get something good in return as the PTBNL.

Plus we have another hard throwing righty Gary Majewski who I always mention every time people say we moved JB for nothing. This guy has great stuff, to me better stuff the Joe Valentine and when he suceeds in AAA next year, and eventually makes it to the show, we'll see why Joe was dealt, plus, Koch is a stud. Some people are saying we'll be getting some decent prospects in return too. I simply love Koch so I like this deal. We were going to lose Foulke at the end of the year and no way would we ever of gotten this kind of value for him midseason. Who would think we could get a closer whose just about to enter the prime of his career and will be a Sox for the next 3 years.

Great move by both teams. I don't know where Karros will fit. I suspect that the Cubs will move him. Still Grudzilanek is a decent 2nd baseman. The Cubs took on payroll and so did the Dodgers. The Dodgers always did like Hundley though, he produced very well for him there.

I'm definately ready to hear a preview of your show. I know Gary(Cy Young Porzio) and I are ready excited to go on the air waves eventually. This station will kick some serious ass.

Man, I'm so excited about this deal. Ya we gave up Valentine, but like I've always said, I don't care about minor league relievers, especially when you have a plethora of them. This move is awesome, especially if we get two decent prospects in return. I think we all now know the reason Valentine was shut down in the AFL. The Sox must of been ready to move him then or at least considering it and they knew if he continued to stink it up he'd lose his value quick. Next off we dumped MJ, and I know many said hey we knew what we had with him, but in him we had a bum. I don't like to know we have a guy that hits .210 from the left side. Thats pathetic especially when you don't have a good arm either. I'll take Josh Paul and a .250 avg that I know he could put up. Greg, I remember you talking about how you liked Paul, this at least gives him the shot to be the Sox backup catcher, although I love the idea of picking up Kreuter. Still, Koch is a stud reliever whose actually going to be here for the next 3 years. Foulke would be gone after this year and if we dealt him midseason we would never of been able to get a proven major league closer in return, especially one thats only 27 and is just about ready to enter the prime of his career. Great move KW GREAT MOVE :metal

Hell ya, its all about a nice double double...yumm.

Corg and many others wander over here at times. We always like having more Sox fans over here, cause it adds to the discussion.

Cool.. For all I know the deal isn't going to happen anymore, but if it does, all I can say is I'll be happy. If it doesn't, I won't be dissapointed. Foulke is great as is Koch, I Just like the fact we'd have Koch for 3 years compared to Foulke for just one year. Still the important part is we land a starting pitcher. Enjoy that last week in Miami cali.