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If you hold it for 10 seconds and cant find someone and than eventually a dline gets to you…it still counts as a pressure. Fields had a lot of those (not 10 seconds I’m clearly exaggerating but where he had a ton of time).

To your point - I don’t think Bears pass rush got to Love but part of that is a credit for Love and how he climbs and moves in the pocket. The inverse is Bears were down and out and Packers had no concern bringing heat on Fields. And this is a Packers secondary that is bottom of the pack. But they trusted the fact that with their defense and a blitz fields wouldn’t process in time and make them pay. They were right.

It’s so hard this draft - cause what I really want is an elite qb, elite wr and elite lt. Yeah I am greedy…but this is a draft that has all 3 available in top 10 and we have 2 picks. In free agency - Lts don’t make it, wideouts do ocassionally and they also hit from time to time later in draft. So right now - I think my top 2 picks are qb and lt. Am totally fine with trade down too and a different order. Too bad Fields isn’t it cause if he was they could have had all 3 (plus a future 1st). Jones is nice an all for a late round pick - but in my lifetime Bears haven’t had a book end LT. Hopefully one of these two is that.

I actually do. I think on Fields sacks - they were on the oline. But watch how Love moved within the pocket and how quickly he got the ball off. Meanwhile watch a ton of plays where Fields held it forever and ran around and basically ended up with nothing (not a sack and a throw away or a short run). There were quite a few of those and It is damning in my mind - cause he can’t freaking read a defense and get the ball out. Guys were open…but open to Fields is different than open to a good nfl qb.

I agree - I actually think it is the opposite. If after 3 years you have to ask - than the answer is they aren’t. None of the top guys was anyone asking that question after 3 years. They may say are they number 2 or number 6 in the league but there is usually a ton of alignment that they are legit.

He is a home run hire for anyone that gets him.

For the Bears - that is a perfectly logical choice - for Poles, I think he basically means this is his only coach to hire. I don't think I could let him take another swing and miss and than say - you are the guy to run next year's draft. Said another way - if I'm Poles, starting over now probably gives me my best chance to live out another few years. If I stick with Flus and Fields and it doesn't work, even if we have the #1 pick a 3rd year in a row - I don't think if I'm Warren/McCaskey I am letting Poles make that choice (even if everything else looks good).

Or are they waiting to go through the process - a day or two to conduct interviews and get more intelligence doesn't hurt (in my mind). I don't think you are missing out by waiting 2 more days to let go of someone. You might also have a clear(er) picture around Harbaugh and Beli's status.

I put a bigger focus on it - because the scheme the Packers play - is a bad fit on Justin. It highlights his weakness and you could use it to assess progress. Can he get through his progression(s) better, can he make the right players. Quite frankly why more teams don't zone Justin is staggering to me. I get that the pressure was there and that a number of Field(s) sacks weren't on him - but there were also a ton of short runs and times where he had all day to throw and just didn't do it. I find it hard to believe that as often as he can extend plays - guys aren't getting open. That is an awful lot of time for NFL defenses to cover a DJ Moore or Kmet (forget the other guys who aren't that great). It also is a ton of time for a running back to get open in the flat for a few yards. So to me I put more focus on the Packer game because I wanted to see growth in his ability to disect a defense. I wasn't looking for 250 yards and 4 TD's - but to see him make quick reads, and really play in rhythm against the type of defense that gives him fits - that would have been huge from a progress/progression perspective.

I disagree - I put far heavier weight on '23 season than I do '21 or '22. In particular - I look at '23 vs. '22 and have to assess how much growth and development you really saw. Only the Bears coaches and staff fully know that - as they have been closest to it. Whether they are right in their judgement, that is a whole other story. But I don't think he made massive strides in '23 - but I will say a lot of his stats ticked up. With that said - after coming back from injury he didn't throw for many TD's and the offense had a number of games where they struggled to score. If he played the final 8 weeks throwing light(s) out - which I wished for as much as anyone - than I think the decision at QB would actually have been pretty easy (punt taking one this year - roll the dice and see what another year of Fields development does). But he seemed to flatline as the season progressed and a flatter trajectory of growth given what his current production is is a far cry from good enough.

Allen is interesting - because his physical skills are similar to Fields. He's a unicorn. Allen was pretty poor in 1st 2 season(s) - but than by year 3 he took major growth. Field(s) hasn't taken that growth, but I get why some teams see guys like that and think okay, be patient with someone with Field(s) physical abilities - but 3 years in the NFL is a long time and you see it too often....really good QB's, make everyone around them better, they negatve weakness and excuse(s). Fields hasn't done it - espeically when the moment matters most. He just doesn't.

Frustrates me so much that Fields played like ass against a zone d again. Would have been so awesome to see him go out there and ball out.

Why are the Bills and Dolphins starters all playing? Home field?

I hear you on fields could have been better elsewhere. With that said - he is showing the exact weakness he showed at OSU and the reason he ended up falling in the draft. He can’t process and read defenses. He can make all the throws and he has incredible ability to run - but he doesn’t throw guys open. Period.

Why you can draft Caleb, sign a center and draft a tackle at 9.

Well written - to me it is simple. Fields has 35 plus starts - I can’t think of any where he had a dominant 4th quarter. Any. Maybe I’m missing something but that is damn near incredible. Point blank - he isn’t elite. He’s meh but I get why if I were another team who didn’t have a top 5 pick I would be willing to take a chance on him and trade a 2nd rounder. Cause physically his tools and personality are awesome.

The bears also had a qb who was a year younger with massive physical tools who you could squint and see a superstar. This year I think you would have to be hit in the head a few times before you could quint and say with a straight face Justin can be a top 5 qb. I hope Bears had Stroud top on their board but just saw the value in sticking with Fields and taking a haul as the smarter play than.

Fields isn’t a multiplier. He does not make others better. He isn’t the qb who turns lemons into lemonade with his arm. Yes he can make big plays, but flat out he isn’t good enough. Today was open and shut. Against good zone defenses he has zero chance. His weakness is glaring and as much as I like his work ethic, I Hope Bears are moving on. They need to strive for better. not saying it has to be at 1-1 but they need to take a qb early. If they want to roll with fields too and create a real competition fine by me, but you can’t stay status quo at qb. I also need Bears to make a move for a new coach cause Flus is like Fields - just ok.

I’ll tell you what…I watch Stroud play and think, Bears don’t have a qb like that. How can anyone watch Fields and see someone like Stroud. And it isn’t like the Texans were some loaded team. Some like excuses, but elite qbs make everyone around them better. I don’t think Justin makes anyone better - but I do admit he has elite physical attributes. In my mind, to win and ask sustainably win, you need a guy like that.

McCarthy is the perfect draft and sit candidate in my opinion. Tons of tools but definitely needs a year or two off. I think the combo of him, Fields and Bagent is fine with me if they want to go that route.

I am fine with that idea. Competition is huge in nfl. If fields takes next step who cares if you took a later first or a 2nd on a qb. Shoot you could always trade them after they had a season behind if you really needed to.

I think if other teams at 9/10/11 are making huge offers than it presses Patriots to give up 3 a 2nd and a next year first at a minimum. Maybe one more 2nd (like two years from now). But no they aren’t getting 2 future 1sts plus 3…in fact if they are that means Williams has measured 6’1 and blew everyone away with the deep assessment of his intangibles (cause his physical skills are special - only question is leadership and character and work ethic and what they learn from deep review and analysis). I still think my preference is to take the qb, but I get it if they trade again.

If they don’t - than I think that effects Bears choice too, in sense that they trade Fields and draft a qb at 1.

Because someone will move ahead of New England. So if New England thinks 1 and 3 qbs are same - fine, but if not, they need to move up to get their guy. Same with Washington or whomever.

But moving down 2 spots and getting future 1st and than taking Marvin and seeing how Fields does with more weapons is fine with me.