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Numerous playoff teams. Also a lot of future execs started under him. Et tu, Rick Hahn?

So now they wheeled out Stone to make the excuses. Which rebuilder took 5 years, Stone? Certainly not Epstein, Luhnow, Beane, and the GMs of the Braves, Phillies, Brewers, Twins and Rays.

Well if a shakeup enhances the comfort and happiness of Williams, Hahn and Cooper, then it will happen. If it doesn't, it won't. Losing, playing poorly, etc. has very to do with these decisions.

There is a good argument for trading all of these guys, but they can't come back with a bunch of Gillaspies and Medeiros' either.

That's hard-nosed negotiating. Hahn put a lot of pressure on the As front office to keep from cracking up. I just want to cry. This is all self-inflicted.

Minaya must have been DFAd 5 times and he never gets claimed.

Not much. But the idea is to improve the team. A lose/lose is not a win.

Did you know that the first trade Rick Hahn made as a Rebuild GM was for Charlie Tilson. He's just that good.

That's one task in which Hahn excels: spinning out the excuses.

He's about 5th in line of those who should be deposed.

Fair enough (although the Sox control Bummer through 2024) but don't forget to include the person who has the most trade value: McCann. And I doubt we'll see much; they've sat out more July's than they should have and don't specialize in "selling high"

Goins? I guess we need some of that priceless veteran leadership

Bummer could actually become elite. Just a little leery of trading cost controlled quality pitching, with all the troubles this org has had identifying and developing pitching. Colome should absolutely be moved. Fry has pitched well for the last month, doesn't have elite potential, and could be moved I guess. Abreu absolutely needs to be traded but they may have waited too long. And they should field offers for McCann too.

That's pathetic in year 3 of a rebuild.

Shouldn't.... But based on the prices for Edwin Jackson, Liriano and Shields, all of whom were salary dumps, I wouldn't count on it.

They control him for 5 more years; he's coming into his own. The one to sell high on is Colome. They bought high on him, not mitigate that price and sell high.

Greinke is very much a White Sox move and the Sox would gladly and likely pay more than Rutherford. Right now, the Sox have 6 major league pitchers: Giolito, Lopez, Cease, Bummer Fry, Colome. That's 1/2 of a staff, some of those aren't proven, and they have nothing healthy in AAA nor anyone near ready in AA. They need to trade any player under short term control to bring young pitching in here.

Understandable. Fans don't know most of the prospects, particularly the unranked ones. But it sure as heck is the front office's job to know. Shields had given up 10 runs in 3 innings in his last start before the trade (in Seattle). I still wonder which scout gave the "thumbs up" after seeing that performance....if they even bothered to scout it. The Sox weren't going anywhere. That trade was madness. And for the coup de grace, Hahn drafted a college reliever in round 1 just a week or so later. I'll get over it when either the Sox win a pennant or Rick Hahn hits the road.

They have to sell. They have to get multiple young arms in here to have a chance. Yes they may end up having to trade prospects - but for young major league ready pitchers, not veterans with 2 years left on their deal. But now they have the opportunity to trade veterans: Abreu, Colome and even McCann need to be on the block. You don't have to force a trade, but see if someone will overpay. Bummer is controlled through 2024 so he would be toward the bottom of the trade list.

He did spend money. Hahn chose to use it on Alonso, Nova, Santana and Jon Jay. That's the problem. Maybe one day JR will do something about it.

I didn't mind Detwiler as a starter, relatively speaking on this staff, for one reason: he wasn't walking batters. As for Mercedes, he spent a year in Winston Salem with an OPS of .840. He spends the first half of next season in Birmingham with an OPS of .886. He spends 14 games sin Charlotte with an OPS of 1.085. If nothing else he's trending the correct direction.

The thing, is he's all we have. I'd see if he's open for 3/$15 which is less than he'd get at current pace, but more than if he drops back to .700 OPS. Even paying him $8 mill a year would likely be a double overpay, but still only a $4 million a year overpay. They overpay worse than that every year, as per Alonso, Jon Jay, and Nova just this season (and that would hold even if those 3 were having good years). To me, there is a greater risk in overpaying in a trade for a veteran catcher should he move along. I say he's all we have, unless Collins gets it together or if Mercedes can play the position. He raked in Birmingham when almost everyone else was hibernating and he's kept it up in AAA.

It wouldn't surprise me if that's what he wants to do, hoping Reed can at least handle the position for a few months. I don't see much evidence that they want to re-sign him. Rather not let him walk for zilch.

That's an interesting thought...other institutions have certainly suffocated from their own groupthink. Listening to one of his interviews, it sounds like he also lost heart with the Astros after being buried in the depth chart and wasn't always focused. Here he has a real incentive regain that focus.

I think that's a little heavy. Maybe 3/$28?