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This is a big plus on many fronts* if they pluck from an aware organization. If it's from a backwards organization or another WS lifer, then it's a nothing-ball. It shows an awareness of current deficiencies plus should bring tangible improvement.

yea that would do it. Now add 5 starters, 3 relievers, a 2B and the Sox might win 84 games.

You know it. This would just another stupid contrivance like the Shark trade that had nothing to do with the serious business of building a baseball operation, but which seriously depleted assets.

The Sox aren't going to trade any of those guys. And they shouldn't. They should maximize what they can get for Colome, Abreu, Leury and maybe McCann. The one player who could bring a blockbuster, and it needs some simmering, is Bummer. Repeat this year with more strikeouts and we have ourselves a Brad Hand, who brought a top 20 prospect (or was it top 10?). Yes they could trade him now and get a meh prospect. Yes they could sit and get nothing. But if he repeats the WHIP and ups the Ks, and the Sox have something. Brad hand had zero prospect pedigree. He was cut by the Marlins and after a season and a half with San Diego, he was the next greatest thing.

That would be insane. Just ridiculous- the kind of clowning that put the Sox exactly in this position.

I’ll just say thar I think they should try to trade him, and I don’t buy this leadership stuff

No. Concentrate on pitching. Okay if they'll take Colome and Abreu, but otherwise, don't move young pitching for him. Benintendi is a very good (never great) player having a down year. Sox got good fortune when Boston wouldn't include him and made Moncada available instead.

They Sox don't need to trade prospects for veteran pitchers....that's what they did from 2014-16, and sporadically from 2001-2012 and it has a 100% failure rate. 100%. The only time it arguably worked was the rent of Garcia for 1 year; but the rent wasn't the win..... signing him as a FA was the win. That's what the Sox need to do. And if you are going to do it, you certainly don't do it in July. Or trade prospects for pitching prospects (perhaps closer to the majors prospects). I'm not convinced trading guys like Bummer or Fry is really in order. Yes relievers are volatile, but that's mostly true with the older guys. These guys, esp Bummer, haven't reached their peak and we don't know what they have. Based on prior returns, it's not really worth it.

Tilson had an OPS under .600 and doesn't play compelling D. That's not close to 25 worthy on a bad team. If Engel could get his OPS to .700, that's a real win and makes him a 4th OF. If he can exceed .760, which would be a miracle (but he does have skills), that makes him a legit player.

I think it will be trade or nothing and probably nothing. I don't think that they've ever planned on re-signing him and nothing I've seen from Abreu this season would warrant reconsideration of that. He hasn't hit much since the break. Is there some legit Boston rumor?

Better hitter, better defender, more talent.

Whatever you have to tell yourself.

Numerous playoff teams. Also a lot of future execs started under him. Et tu, Rick Hahn?

So now they wheeled out Stone to make the excuses. Which rebuilder took 5 years, Stone? Certainly not Epstein, Luhnow, Beane, and the GMs of the Braves, Phillies, Brewers, Twins and Rays.

Well if a shakeup enhances the comfort and happiness of Williams, Hahn and Cooper, then it will happen. If it doesn't, it won't. Losing, playing poorly, etc. has very to do with these decisions.

There is a good argument for trading all of these guys, but they can't come back with a bunch of Gillaspies and Medeiros' either.

That's hard-nosed negotiating. Hahn put a lot of pressure on the As front office to keep from cracking up. I just want to cry. This is all self-inflicted.

Minaya must have been DFAd 5 times and he never gets claimed.

Not much. But the idea is to improve the team. A lose/lose is not a win.

Did you know that the first trade Rick Hahn made as a Rebuild GM was for Charlie Tilson. He's just that good.

That's one task in which Hahn excels: spinning out the excuses.

He's about 5th in line of those who should be deposed.

Fair enough (although the Sox control Bummer through 2024) but don't forget to include the person who has the most trade value: McCann. And I doubt we'll see much; they've sat out more July's than they should have and don't specialize in "selling high"

Goins? I guess we need some of that priceless veteran leadership

Bummer could actually become elite. Just a little leery of trading cost controlled quality pitching, with all the troubles this org has had identifying and developing pitching. Colome should absolutely be moved. Fry has pitched well for the last month, doesn't have elite potential, and could be moved I guess. Abreu absolutely needs to be traded but they may have waited too long. And they should field offers for McCann too.