GreenSox

You are measuring the start of Houston's rebuild from the point they started losing. Same with the Cubs. Yet, you measure the Sox rebuild from I assume the end of the 2016 season (although it should be measured from July 2016). I'm just asking for some consistency. Houston hired Lunow in December 2011; they rebuilt in 2012, 2013, 2014 and made the playoffs in 2015 The Cubs hired Theo sometime before the 2012 season. That's when they acquired Rizzo It was during 2012 when they started trading away their guys like Dempster and Garza. They lost in 2012, 2013 and 2014. They made the playoffs in 2015. Both of those were 3 year rebuilds. They were not 5-6 year rebuilds. If held to those standards, the Sox would make the playoffs in 2020. And if they were held to the standards of the Brewers, As or Rays rebuilds.....

He's been in the organization for 15 of the last 19 years. And Hahn, KW and JR still surround him. Not exactly a fresh group with new ideas. Nevertheless, he's had 3 drafts and this is his fourth. He's had good draft positions (10, 11, 4 and 3). Shouldn't the Sox thus be expected to stay in the top 10 farms for the foreseeable future, even given the matriculation of the bounty from the Q/Sale/Eaton trades? And if the Sox don't, does that suggest a problem?

I think they suspend it if it's through the 5th and tied.. Bunch of other circumstances too (if the visiting team took the lead in the inning it was suspended and it is the 6th inning or later).

Let's see: 13, 14, 15. 16, 17, 18 = 6 years. 19 = 7th year. I didn't even need an abacus. The Astros lost for several years prior to the official rebuild, as did the Cubs, as did the Sox. Try some consistency.

The question is when will the Sox be in a position to fight the Twins for the Central?

By that calendar, this is year 7 of the Sox rebuild.

Is he? The starting pitchers, other than Giolito, are getting their brains beat in. Last in the majors in starters ERA and WHIP. His framing grades poorly. I don't know whether he is or isn't. But I don't think Cooper knows either.

If McCann is a good defensive catcher than sign him by all means. But his he? He's always low in framing. Cooper apparently likes him, but lately Cooper's judgment stinks. The Twins have also gotten a lot of mileage out of Free Agents...the type of Free Agents in the same cost range that the White Sox fish in. The Sox veterans free agents have been big negatives. I guess the Twins use analytics and actually scout their guys.

If his defense, framing and working with pitchers are sound, then I'd extend him. Those things should last. Hitting would be lagniappe. If Collins breaks out, then they still have a really good backup, which they will need.

It's been dry lately but there were a bunch in 2010 and 2009. The overall hit rate in the draft is not good, but there are hits and you have to give yourself enough arrows. A lot of great players came after the first round.

I'd say it's 10%. He's signing a 4 month deal. 4 months is of marginal real help.

Signing Keuchel and giving up a pick would be yet another comedy act. If they want him, wait a couple of weeks, and then outbid everyone else.

Right - 2 relievers (one with multi-years of control; the 2nd with the same control as Robertson) plus a 3B yielded that. Colome won't come close - one problem is that he doesn't have dominating stuff.

He has never been particularly good in the minors, so it's not that much of a surprise that he's now bad. He's probably a LOOGY at best which is close to 0 value; heck the Sox had 3 of them last season they picked up basically for free.

And whether spending $200 million would turn the Sox into a winner is another story. Actually it's a fable. What's the core right now - 4 players? it would be another 2015-16 dog and pony show that's pushing for .500. That said, the Sox could have helped themselves by spending their $9 million here, $8 million there more wisely...instead, Hahn took the lazy way out.

That Laroche's child was let into the clubhouse on a regular basis shows the strong leadership of Whitesox brass. Everyone knew Eaton was an ass. That's why he was on the first ship out along with Sale and his scissors.

Happ is having a lousy year at AAA. I'm thinking Fulmer for Happ. They were picked right next to each other too. Colome isn't a dominant pitcher; they should get something good for him, but not a ton and not what they gave up for him. But I'm not sure they should trade him anyway - Hahn doesn't take advantage of seller's leverage in July and he will just look for another closer in December

The sale return was light in secondary pieces. But overall yes those were good trades. But the rest of them have been generally awful and made on the other teams' terms, as have his moves for veterans. And his drafts haven't yielded much yet. You need all of the above to build a winner.

yes, except that if he is so pitiful with the fill-ins now, what's to believe he will become competent with them when they matter? His negligence is dangerous - you never know for sure when young teams are going to come together. The Twins aren't being pulled down by their fill-ins. Further, Hahn traded for 3 of these fill-ins. How can you not to due diligence when trading for players?

I didn't vote that way, but, arguably, Gio currently is the best player and Gio/Reylo is currently the best 2 player package. It's certainly not indefensible. And relative to what the Sox gave up to get them, it's very defensible.

The bad motives behind the trade are part of it. The ridiculously inept and lazy scouting are another part of it.

KW was always a starting pitcher short from 2001-2004. The drafts starting declining then too, which would portend future problems. In 2007, he gave Ozzie a "Jerry Krause" year and brought in the hackers and slappers that Ozzie wanted. Of course it was a disaster. KW quickly mitigated those mistakes and put a playoff team on the field the next year (led by the brilliant trade for The Carlos Quentin). Even in his last year, he fielded a contender that ended up with more pythagorean wins than he division winner. He's made a lot of mistakes, but the biggest is the continued employment of Rick Hahn and Don Cooper. I accept that KW has a lifetime contract with JR. But why do Hahn and Cooper have lifetime contracts with KW?

Well Tatis was discovered by this org.....too bad they didn't have a clue as to who they had discovered.

Then why are they playing him every day? If it's to flip him, the flip value is severely diminished as the acquiring team would be on the hook for another season. In fact, I'd say no one would take him even for free if they knew they were on the hook for next season. On the other hand, the Sox could dole out his time, use him in late innings, play Delmonico there more often and ensure that option doesn't vest, while also giving him a chance to catch onto another team if he starts hitting. But Ricky's playing him every day, so I just wonder.

Robertson and Frazier were salary dumps, just like James Shields, Edwin Jackson, Brett Myers and Liariano were salary dumps. The difference in price when the Sox dump and when the Sox trade for others' dumps is striking. As for Rutherford, just give him time. There's plenty of room on the 40 man. Late bloomers are becoming a regular occurrence. Two of the Royals good "young" players (Dozier and Merrifield) didn't do anything until 27, e.g.