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Seems premature

We don't have a consensus solution at any position except 1B and that's for this year only with Abreu...is there another player on this roster who you can comfortably say is above average? That's not to say several won't become that, but right now, they aren't.

Yes, we'll do better than 62 wins for the foreseeable future. So we've hit bottom in the single season sense. Have we hit bottom in the consecutive losing season sense? Don't see a light at the end of that tunnel. But some better pitching would help.

Fine. A lot can happen 2.5 years. They consistently mis-evaluate these veterans...I wonder how much work on the analytics and film they do prior to acquisition.

Exactly.....4 years ago. Never a K guy either.

Guyer is going to make this team? He's worse than Jay My god.....

This is rebuild a la Hahn. "Cheapness" really isn't the major issue.

Not weird for them. Tired old stiffs is how Hahn tried to build a team from 2014-16. The plan was to sign Machado for below market and improve the bullpen. So they signed 2 stiffs to help lure Machado and traded a catcher that they didn't like (but who could hit) for an average closer that Seattle dangled.

Man Giolito can leave some pitches right in the wheelhouse.

Lord I hope not. Jon Jay, leadoff. Yikes!

Guerrero is an org. guy at this point, but there are a lot of org. guys that haven't officially been orged yet. I see that Chris Johnson is with the team. I recall the Indians giving him the Keppinger treatment, but he didn't quit like Keppinger did.

Carson Fulmer is the pitcher of the day.

Why not? Covey's first time success through a lineup also suggests that he might be a good late inning guy.

Split-squad day. Love it! Wish they'd play more of these - lot of players to evaluate.

.362 OBP (who on the Sox matches that), 9 homers in 1/2 a season of at bats, .794 OPS all in his 3rd major league season. He was the 2nd to best hitter on this team last year, which is one place his bat plays just fine. Colome, not controlled in the Sox competitive window, is a homogeneous average closer...flippable, based on history, for Madeiros or Cordell....

Adell was a "toolsy" prospect and the Sox were all in on college players by that time. Big gap between Burger and Adell re type of prospect. I doubt they would have drafted him.

Evan Marshall, this year's Swarzak.

Major league front offices, this side of Dave Stewart, don't make trades like that.....and if they did, Hahn would probably insist on sending them a prospect like he did with....

That may be, probably is, but they just don't have enough in general. The attrition rate is high, both in injury and in performance, as we've seen.

My opinion is that they don't have enough pitching.

Unfortunately, Cooper is in the inner circle and has a Hahn-like lifetime contract. Maybe they can make him pitching coach emeritus...i

I didn't expect anything for Banuelos...he's an org. guy. But Minaya..honestly, why is he still around?

I like him a lot too. The Sox have 6 or so shining prospect OFs, but the Sox just need to let this all play out. It's too early to pick and choose which are the keepers.

The problem is that Swarzak and Soria pitched lights-out and Hahn sent them to the friendly Brewers for a couple of Rule 5 guys; Robertson and Kahnle pitched lights out and together with Frazier yielded, put in the most favorable light, a prospect at the end of the top 100 (plus a couple of rule 5 guys in the lower minors). The Sox traded a young catcher who could hit for Colome...the odds of them getting back a better hitting prospect are miniscule. That was the kind of trade you make when going for it, not when trying to arbitrage veterans for young players. Coupled with the earlier release of Smith, that trade looks like another reactive effort out of Hahn instead of part of a real team-building plan.

I think KW is correct. It's not that they are cheap, it's that they are incompetent.