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Great idea for a team off of 62 wins: trade prospects for 2 year players. Kind of makes sense for a team that traded for rents off of 73 wins.

The inference is that the Sox didn't analytics before then. Good lord. What's the status of analytics in the dugout?

I buy it. I don't know which report is correct, but pretty much all of them have the offers as far more modest than expected 6 weeks ago. Makes sense for teams to dive in if he's that affordable. It shouldn't matter; as per a comment above, the Sox should be able to win a bidding war anyway should one arise.

Neither Burdi nor Burger were the BPA. Burdi was drafted precisely to rush into the 2016 bullpen.

I believe that was an unfortunate trade.

Seems like a reasonable price to me; but I doubt the Sox could have gotten him for that price.

Hopefully the rebuild continues; Machado is a key element - Alonso and Jay are just Machado attractors ...at least I hope.

Although I was a child at the time, I remember that streak well. I also remember that horrible call in Boston (Agee was safe) in August of 1967 on NBC National that started the collapse. That was quite the post by xSouth detailing the specific events that haave frustrated Sox fans over the last 50 years.

I don't know about that if he views the long term offers as modest. (of course, I don't know what the Sox offer actually is; but if it is 7/$210, I would view that as modest). And I am of the belief that the Sox need to beat the competition by 20% or so to secure his services. Actually if he doesn't sign with the Sox, I hope he takes a short term deal. We don't really need him this year, and the Sox major league club may be more presentable a year from now and thus not require a 20% bonus or so many FOMs.

And what is that point. The Sox can stick with its 7/210 offer (or whatever it is), wait there until someone tops it, Manny remains dissatisfied and won't sign, then, whoosh, a contender offers him 1/$40 or 2/$75. What's the Sox next move?

Amen

But they don't have the pitching; and they are light on O unless Anderson and Moncada improve; which they may or may not. The Sox have at least 3 top CF prospects...just not the position to go for a FA. Jay and Alonso just aren't top shelf talents...by a long shot. Sox need another year to sort things out.

Well, the same source (Nightengale) who says the Sox are "expected" to sign him also said 3 days ago that the Sox offered him a contract of "about $200 million" Maybe they increased, will increase.....

It would be nice to know what the offer is. If it's 7/low 200s (which is what I believe the more respected sources have said), the Sox may lead, but I doubt he'd sign for that anytime soon.

Well, that would be something new and different.....

Don't laugh too hard - the Sox may have to put Machado at SS.

I don't mean to be flip, but isn't this about offering the most $$$?

Of all the teams, the Sox should be able to wait the longest. Nothing else to do, really.,,,,or hopefully.

That's a lot of pitchers for 4 spots. But most have options, fortunately. Frare Bummer Hamilton Covey or Stephens (one is 5th starter)

While I don't disagree with you in principle, I hardly think that the results of trades over the last 6 years put the Sox at risk of negotiating in bad faith with other teams.

The point is they've been willing to give up young talent in trades (and not just stunted prospects) for 2nd tier vets. I'm not pointing fingers - heck Fliers helped the Astros for a year or 2. But they have the prospect depth to trade from and are willing to trade it which a)is why it makes sense to trade with them and b)I hope the Sox can keep a pipeline flowing like they have.

Domingo Santana, Josh Hader, Adrian Houser and Brett Phillips for Mike Fiers and Carlos Gomez.

It's called declining vets, such as 33 year old with .678 OPS. At least that one wasn't traded for. Or paying career year price. Still, it is a lot better signing them, declining or otherwise, than trading young players for them. Re the pitchers, that's Gio ...he'd be okay but that price is high.

Astros also made some questionable trades (which is a reason why I want the Sox to trade with them). The Aiken mistake gave the Astros Bregman. They've had their misses, but a long list of successes and great development to more than compensate.

I like them as a possibility too. Maybe Texas.