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Sox still in the running for Harper/Machado
GreenSox replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Indeed, it would be nuts even if they sign harper or Machado. Worse than the 2014-2016 Hahn clownshow. -
I think we have a decent chance...but if we get one (or both), it will come with an early buyout. I just don't see either one of these guys signing up for 10 years of the Sox until Hahn proves that he can build a winner. That would put a c. 3 year window on contention, which, while reasonable, might encourage the FO to start making trades for veterans to accelerate it. And that spells big trouble.
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Machado: Update - Manny, do you officially like us?
GreenSox replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Sounds like a great guy. But what needs to happen is that either he or Abreu need to be traded. it's ridiculous to have 2 vets covering 1B/DH in a rebuilding situation where young players need ABs. -
I hear what you are saying, but even if the Sox hit on Robert, it's only 1/10 he's a Harper. No one gets a Harper 2/10 tries. As for getting productive major leaguers, yes, they should hit better than 2/10. And yes, I agree that part of this is to mask and/or energize a rebuild that appears stunted. Well, so be it.
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Hahn's best trade was Eaton #1. He's gone that route only once since: Davidson/Reed, which I still think was well intended and worth the risk. Regardless, 50% leaves you a big winner. So why did he stop? Those are the kind of moves this team needs now, 5 years later. They don't need guys past their prime (like Alonso). Re the rebuild, he's already whiffed on 1 major pitching prospect and likely a 2nd; none of the others have proven that they are even mid-rotation guys. There have been no whiffs on the position side yet, but no absolute hits either. Hopefully we see real progress soon.
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Kluber, yes. Pollock is one of those mid tier FA who are best avoided, imo. As for Harper, they'll probably have to break the luxury tax, but I think they'll do it with a shorter term deal. Yes that would mean Harper "leaves money on the table" but he'll be 30 when he has a chance to get it back and more.
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Machado: Update - Manny, do you officially like us?
GreenSox replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in Pale Hose Talk
That may even be a superior strategy to signing Machado or Harper. But when in the world has this FO ever done such a thing? In a smaller scale, Alonso was exactly that type of player - a team trying to dump salary and Alonso a player barely over replacement making $8 million...the Sox sent a prospect. Edwin Jackson and Shields were clear salary dumps, and the Sox are shelling out the prospects (and in those cases, good ones). They just aren't that creative...and thus I hope they sign one of these guys, realizing the risk that they'll start shoveling prospects for 2 year vets (likely overrated vets) to build around them. -
Machado: Update - Manny, do you officially like us?
GreenSox replied to Chicago White Sox's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Good one. -
Hope you're right - that's a light offer.
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2018-9 MLB off season free agency thread
GreenSox replied to southsider2k5's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Don't be stupid, Reds. -
Pollock's not what he was.
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That's precisely the kind of trade the Sox should not make. It's a 78 win farm depletion trade that leaves any sort of future up to Hahn/Hostetler drafting.
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Just from the Hahn era: Samardzija Shields Frazier LaRoche Lawrie In one sense, Navarro was probably the worst of the last 20 years; BUT, somehow, the Sox FO convinced the Brewers to send 2 solid major leaguers for him. We then won the division. In that sense, he contributed to a division title.
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Cleveland has a better cheap young core than the White Sox or anyone else in the division...by a wide margin. And if they're drowning Rick Hahn just gave them a life preserver. Of course they aren't drowning, just figuring this is a good time to retool because they'll still be better than the rest of the division without Bauer or Kluber or both.