GreenSox

If you don't get 6-8 viable young major leaguers, you will be in perpetual rebuild no matter what veterans you go after.

Mostly stunted prospects to Az..but we'll see.

yes, please

And they wasted a first round pick on Burdi for that reason. A lot of resources were torched to fuel the last gasps of Hahn's 2016 dog and pony show.

Perfect

Righteous bucks.

I think pretty much every trade Hahn's made, outside of the big 3, has been lacking. Rutherford was a good primary piece, but the rest were guys in the low minors (which is fine) who were about to time out (not fine).

Yolmer out WARed Seager last year. Seager could be a real albatross; but to get Haniger, I would do the above, but no more (and I seriously doubt Seattle would go for that). Haniger looks about like Nick Swisher when the Sox traded for him.

Except that Colome was traded last summer and didn't net that much. And look at what we got for Soria - rule 5 Madeiros who hasn't shown a thing.

Chapman trade was an anomaly. July trade for a team trying to win a W.S. Mariners didn't get hosed at all.

Will Colome be better than David Robertson? For Robertson, the Sox got a player at the bottom of the top 100 plus Rule 5 throw-wins and that's with adding Kahnle (having a terrific year) and Frazier. And then look at what Seattle had to trade to get him (and Spann). Not that much.

Kelenic and Dunn are top 50-100 prospects; does "excellent" really overstate that? Kimbrel went for 2 25-50 prospects; he had a far greater track record of dominance. Doesn't seem that out of whack to me. On a side note, the Padres GM did a nice bit of arbitrage with Kimbrel and has done a good job of undoing the bad moves he made in his first year. I don't know whether he can build a team, but he can acquire prospects.

It looks like they got the Cano money down to reasonable levels. But I certainly would trade 2 excellent prospects for the "proven closer." I didn't like trading Narvaez for a "proven closer"

Indians are playing this smart. They have the best team in the division by 15 games. They have the best young core in the division by a mile. But they aren't good enough to win the league. So while the rest of the division is horrid, they take the opportunity to retool; and they'll still win the division with 85-90 wins, while setting themselves up for the future.

What have they gotten for them? Rutherford is about it. And it required 2 really good relievers and Frazier. The rest brought in a bunch of nothing.

This looks like a trade of Diaz for prospects and Cano for salary relief. They are getting good prospects for Diaz.Can't compare to Chapman trade - that's a July trade for a team looking to win a WS - prices are at a premium. As it is, Ms are getting ascending prospects who haven't rotted on the vine. I certainly wouldn't trade Madrigal and, say, Basabe (an ascending prospect) for Diaz. Diaz had gargantuan K totals and a great one-year WHIP...but high K totals are more and more common; not 15 high but mediocre pitchers are hitting >10Ks/9 these days. I think the Cano part of the deal is okay for the Mets - they'll get a good 2/3 years out of him and aren't giving up anything. >50% isn't bad; that's about as much as a team can expect if they sign Harper/Machado even at their age.

That would be nuts. Way too risky. This team just isn't ready.

On the other hand, what's the risk? Sign him, and if he hits, be quick to the party and move him in June. And if he doesn't hit, release him in June.

That would be okay, but he really did not have a good year with the bat in 2018.

Certainly true. He's signed some FAs - really only Robertson was of any quality. I don't really care if he signs some of these 2nd/3rd tier guys - i think it's a waste but it shouldn't do real harm. My fear is that he starts trading for veterans ....that's where Hahn is dangerous.

Is there a plan, or darts at the wall again? I thought the plan was to develop a core of young players and then "go for it". Apparently not.

This is a front office that has twice sent top young talent in return for a bloated contract of a veteran having a bad year. Now these ace negotiators will turn that scenario around?

Most would say no; a rebuilder might give it a shot. And any pitcher can be stashed in the pen with relative ease. The Sox aren't going to lose all of these guys. But the Sox have made several moves that helped other teams with their 40 man problems. There is some real riff-raff that remains on the 40 man that makes it odd that they would take the chance.

The question is whether he has value to others. If so, use the value. Trade excess, don't give it away. I still don't see why Hahn consistently trades for Rule 5 eligible players during a rebuild.

Is there a link to the 40 man roster itself?