GreenSox

I have no complaints. But what you described, which is what I thought they were doing, is not what was described as the new philosophy at the top of this thread.

I agree, but this is a reevaluation of philosophy, not scouting. And that's probably a good thing too.

Something I do not understand: a new concern with Ks AFTER they make the single biggest move in the rebuild (trading Chris Sale) and 2 drafts after they hire a new scouting director.

And "unathletic" is against the new trend as much, if not more, than high Ks are. (although I hope the CF they drafted, who is a lot more interesting than the first 2 picks, is reasonably athletic). I've never been able understand what this FO is trying to do and that probably won't change.

Royals aren't messing around...Phillips is going straight to NY today. The Sox don't even have a full first wave in yet (and what part of the wave is here hasn't done much), so it's hard to see what the second wave is like. And Collins is someone they drafted...if they wanted low K they could have drafted low K.

I'm okay with pitching Davidson, but since this wasn't out of necessity (there were pitchers available) the Blue Jays should put full effort against him and not take it easy on him.

If they can't trade a LOOGY, so be it. They can bring both back next year and there needs to be someone who can pitch and neither will bring much in the way of prospects. But they need to trade Avi and/or Abreu

What is attendance supposed to do with 6 losing seasons in a row, the last 2 of which have been non-competitive, and an organization in which there is zero accountability for outcomes. The lack of accountability is a big depressant because it gives the appearance that that the organization doesn't prioritize winning.

That's supposed to be the whole point of suffering through these 30 below .500 seasons. Clear out the dugout in the offseason, Hahn.

If all he can throw is 2 pitches, how did he check all the boxes?

Anyone know the deal with Jake Elliot - he's in his 2nd full year at Kanny, both with stellar statistical results, but he hasn't been moved up.

Did he fire Scheuler? If not, it's 3 decades. And they won't even put a serious manager on the field to help them with the rebuild - someone who knows the game and knows talent.

Okay, but where is the real hitting core: it's basically Jimenez, Moncada and Anderson. And then another player or 2 would join the party, maybe even extend Abreu. Well that core isn't progressing. Every rebuild will have a few setbacks. Burger was never an elite talent; Dunning is a nice pitcher, but others have progressed. 3 or 4 years seems reasonable to me (4 years would be 2020)...at some point, is there accountability?

You're probably right, although I really don't know why the window has shifted out a year or 2 other than it apparently has and the FO wants to push it back. I hope it isn't for job security. I think they could put together a competitive (.500ish) team for next year without trading prospects or even going crazy in FA. But they seem to want to wait. That said, they probably should move Rodon, but could probably get a lot more a year from now. But if they get a Q like offer, then by all means. But they should move Abreu and of course Avi.

Are the Sox after him?

What evidence is there of any of this? What is special about the development of Giolito and Lopez? They are 2 pitchers who were top prospects and who are still struggling. Where would they be without the great Shields? The best I can tell, this is deflective spin out of Hahn. I am not jumping on you - if it appears that way, I apologize. I'm jumping on this FO.

Hate to see the Twins quit - they are only 7 games out and Indians aren't that great. Hate to see the Twins get more prospects

I would think that if he rakes at Birmingham they could just call him straight up to Chicago. He's been in the minors a long time. If they want to go through Charlotte, Charlotte's OF is full only in the sense that the Sox bullpen is full.

Sox obviously can't make an offer like that right now. Plus, the Sox are big on personalities/chemistry and other fluff stuff. Do the Sox see Rodon as part of the future? It's probably a matter of trading him now or next year. If the Q like offer is made, they have to take it. If it isn't, it's probably worth the wait, Assuming all of the possible suitors actually like Rodon, then I'd think the Padres are the most likely to come in with an offer because they should be able to move Mejia without much angst.

And while no one knows for sure that Rodon is fixed and on the fast track to acedom, I would think most teams inquiring aren't looking to pay premium price for him either. As for timing, they should be competitive in 2020, or this mgt team should finally exit left. Even if not, they have plenty of time to trad him.

Sure if they'd do it...but they have a hole at 3rd.

Mejia should be the easiest to trade...doesn't have that fear of trading the unknown for the known.....you just say we flipped Brad Hand for Carlos Rodon. That the Indians gave up Mejia for a reliever gives me pause to wonder if he's not overrated. If I were Hahn, I would just want to forget Tatis. Talk about no-win. "Yea, I had to trade Carlos Rodon to recover who I squandered for James Shields." And then if he turns out a bust? Yikes!

Pretty much need a Q like package to justify it, imo. Rather seem them move Abreu along.

Well I misunderstood. If that's the going rate, and not just a one-time freak outcome, then absolutely nurture Fry for the next year or 2 and see what we have.

The 3 best relievers are lefties: Avilan, Cedeno, Fry. (and the next man up, Bummer, is also a lefty) Avilan and Cedeno have 2 years of control each. They should be moved, if possible, by Tuesday - whatever prospect they can get for them will be of higher quality with the extra year of a cheap contract.