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QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Feb 21, 2018 -> 10:32 AM) My guess is that he’ll be bouncing between AAA and the majors...no idea why so many are high on Delmonico. Because we finally have someone who can take pitches and walks, without hitting .202. That's why I'm excited about him. Several players (beyond the elite prospects) have to break out for this rebuild to work. So far, so good with Delmonico

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 21, 2018 -> 08:09 AM) Yes, they did, in 2015. When Moustakas was 27 years old and put up a nearly 4-win season -- which is something he hasn't even sniffed since. In 2020, he'll be 32 years old. The Cardinals won a World Series in 2011 with Albert Pujols in the middle of their lineup. That doesn't mean that should be the Angels' plan now. And this.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 20, 2018 -> 05:35 PM) Neither does Moustakas. He's a lefty, yes, but if he's in the middle of our lineup in 2020, that means it probably isn't a playoff-caliber lineup. This

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 18, 2018 -> 06:07 PM) He’d be a potential flip candidate. The 600+ DH plate appearances are an asset and the Sox have to decide what is the best use of them. Correct - and I believe Leury, Delmonico, and even Davidson, and others are better use for those 600+plate appearances. He crowds out a corner outfield spot, which would mean both are taken with Avi. So we flip him - what are we going to get? A B prospect. We have a lot of B prospects, who need playing time. And let's not forget we'll probably have to TRADE a B prospect to get him, so the "flip" idea is somewhat tenuous. L Garcia produced 1.1 WAR in 1/2 a season. Delmonico is 1 WAR in 1/4 of a season. IN both cases, the players played a position in which they had little experience and are highly likely to improve defensively (Leury had some experience in the OF; Delmonico had very little). But the bottom line to me is that Dickerson is a bottom 3 hitter on a championship team. i.e. you use him to plug a hole, not as part of a foundation. And he's a bad defender, and the Sox don't need that. Way too early to plug holes with veterans.

The Sox have outfield prospects out the wazzu. With Delmonico, they finally have someone who takes pitches without batting .200. He has a chance to turn into a really good hitter. I'd like to see how he plays out. I just don't get the zeal for Dickerson. High K, low OBP, bad defense, some power. It is the profile that the Sox like. But such players will always be in ample supply, if the Sox insist on one.

Dickerson is another low OBP guy who strikes out a lot. Part of the rebuild is changing the low OBP/high K part of the previous Sox philosophy. And the Sox have a lot of OF prospects. No

I don't think that any serious observer has argued otherwise. I haven't read anyone suggest that 3 2-War players = 1 6 war player. No one would trade Chris Sale for 3 Melkys.

Probably the worst trade I can remember is the Red Sox trading prospect Bagwell for Larry Anderson. Still, the Bagwell trade was made in August, Anderson was pitching well, he pitched better for Boston and they won the division. Bad trade, but some justification. It was June, the White Sox were tanking, and Shields was having a terrible year. There was no justification for that trade. The FO gets a do-over, one that I don't believe they earned. The dispersal phase has been fine. HOpefully they build a good team this time.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 04:23 PM) If you attached either Rasmus or Revere's line to Delcomnico or Cordell/Tilson I think we would be quite happy. Both have their holes though no doubt. I wouldn't be happy. Those lines are a dime a dozen. I want at least one of our OF to really break out. I'll take that with the rest flaming out, over a bunch of Rasmus'.

Avi, Leury, Delmonico

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 10:19 AM) - Demonico, Tilson, Cordell – Yes I’d like to see them play. I don’t necessarily think a Rasmus or Revere is better long term – just food for thought Rasmus or Revere probably aren't better short-term either. Which is why there isn't a line to sign them...most teams have interesting 2nd tier prospects like Delmonico et al (While I am a sucker for sweet Septembers, I'm really looking forward to seeing Delmonico play this year).

I see my man Jake Rogers, who was the best defensive catcher in the 2016 draft, checks in at a gaudy #17. The "jury is still out" on the Sox new and improved drafting. They are drafting college hitters - hopefully the evaluation has gotten a lot better.

i think closing is Robertson's best spot. He gets to start with nobody on, can make a mistake or two and get out of the inning. There's no room for error if you're brought in with runners on. Of course I believe that you shouldn't put your best relievers as closer. There's no way that Robertson and Frazier should have been pure salary dumps, and I don't think they were. I never liked Frazier much, but he's a solid player.

QUOTE (flavum @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 02:25 PM) I don't really believe in spring training competition anymore. They start out with a 25-man roster, and if they stay healthy, that's who they go with. Just a guess, if healthy- L- Avilan, Cedeno R- Farquhar, Infante, Minaya, Jones, Soria There's a distinct lack of youth; Infante and Minaya are inexperienced (and both pitched well in garbage-time September) but not young. The rest are decliners or re-treads. Well it seemed to me that Soria and Avilan were acquired solely to be flipped (no other reason to acquire them) so hopefully a few will have good years and can be moved by July, to create some room for younger players.

Josh Reddick was a pretty consistent 2.5-3 WAR player and he signed for 4/$52 last year. Would Boras take that for Hosmer/Moustakas? Hosmer is inconsistent - he'll have a 3-4 WAR year, and then a 0 WAR year. Moustakas is inconsistent too. The tanking teams has something to do with it, but it's also a fact that the market has changed...these 30 year old good/not great players just don't have the value they did.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 01:09 PM) https://www.fanragsports.com/inside-basebal...-affect-others/ The White Sox are in the market for a DH, though at this time there is no evidence that they have any interest in trading for eminently-available Dodgers outfielder Matt Kemp. There was a time many, many years ago that the Sox showed some interest in Kemp, but that was many moons ago. This doesn't make much sense to me. They need to find playing time for Delmonico, Davidson, Leury, W Garcia, Tilson, Cordell; DH is a position they can pick up at bats. No need to stop the flow with the dreaded "proven veteran"

He had us #10 last year, and that was after the Sale/Eaton trades; since then we picked up an elite talent from Q, but Moncada, Giolito and Lopez graduated. Still the Sox rose 6 spots...he must like a lot of the secondary acquisitions. I'm pretty stoked about #4, considering the above.

Broxton is a K machine.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 26, 2018 -> 08:52 AM) DH is the only spot I’m not overly excited about how we’re using at the moment. Sox don't have a young DH per se, but they have a lot of players (primarily outfielders) that need to rotate through the DH spot in order to get regular at bats. I'm glad it's an open position right now.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 26, 2018 -> 08:40 AM) Balta has talked about using our playing time as an asset to find undervalued talent, that was the role the Brewers played. 2016 they picked up tons of near major talent and gave them playing time. This trade was also a great example of why to wait until you are closer to knowing. When brewers had a clear surplus they were able to trade for an elite, cost controlled talent, not just an upgrade. That's what I'd like us to do, use surplus for elite upgrades, not just filling 0 war with 2 war vets. Amen!

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 26, 2018 -> 08:15 AM) It's complicated so I'll try to explain. Large market teams that offered QO now get a pick after the 2nd round. So the Cubs will get 2 picks after the 2nd round for Arrieta and Davis. Those 6 teams that I listed after the 1st round are all considered small market teams that receives revenue sharing. Those teams still get a pick after round 1 for losing a free agent that offer a QO to. Revenue sharing recipients lose their 3rd highest pick to sign a QO FA. Big market revenue providers (Sox lumped in here) forfeit their 2nd choice to sign a FA. Teams that are over the luxury tax line (SF, Washington, Boston, LAD) would forfeit their 2nd and 5th rounder to sign a QO FA. Does this help? Thanks Jimmy. And it certainly looks like a system that can be "worked" by small market teams, like the Rockies did. Instead of re-signing your own guy, let him go, sign a player from another team, and move up in the draft.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 26, 2018 -> 07:52 AM) He’s basically another version of Avi, but with more proven power. A bit out of date... Santana has primarily played right field in the major leagues, starting there in 508 of 592 games. Santana is a big guy, standing at 6'5" and 225 pounds, which fits his power. Right now, however, it's difficult to see where he might fit on the Brewers barring more deals. He's not a center fielder and right field is occupied by Ryan Braun and the Brewers have a somewhat similar player in Khris Davis in left field. Dominguez has never played first base so it's unlikely the Brewers would try to move him there. But the Brewers don't need to fit him in right away. They can always see what happens the rest of this season and next spring and see if/when he's deserving of another shot at the big leagues. Santana has a strong enough arm for right field if that's where he lands. His defense isn't anything to write home about, but it's not bad either. Brewcrewball.com Avi's fangraphs defensive ratings are below par, but Santana's are awful. As for arm, Santana had 4 assists last year while Avi had 13. Santana looks similar to Evan Gattis to me.

I see the Rockies performed a nice feat of arbitrage, letting Holland go and signing Davis and moving up 9 spots in the process. Speaking of which, I'm not up on the rules, but why do the Rockies have to lose a pick for signing Davis? I assume he wasn't given a QO, or the Cubs would be on that post-first round list of extra picks.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 25, 2018 -> 11:20 PM) The White Sox would definitely have interest in Domingo Santana, as well as Keon Broxton, who has no place to play now unless someone gets injured, same with Phillips. Corey Ray would be another possibility, with his Chicago ties, along with Erceg. That's at least 5 players (I'm assuming we're not going to trade for MORE pitching). I think most of SoxTalk would be elated to acquire Keston Hiura for Abreu, although where he would play (DH/2B, possibly 3B or LF) is another question altogether. I wouldn't think the Sox would be interested in Santana unless he can play a good 1B and they move Abreu. They just can't put a defender like that in the OF this early in the buildup. He might actually be an interesting pickup for Boston. Broxton might be palatable on the buy-low side. As for moving Yolmer, perhaps, but the Sox aren't exactly loaded with Middle Infield prospects (or 3B for that matter).

Another way to look at it for the Brewers is that they turned Jean Segura and a broken Lucroy into Yelich.