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I would put Engel in AAA to work on his bat, which is currently nowhere near good enough. But he has enough talent that warrants keeping him; nothing to be lost giving him a full year in AAA.

This is the time to find out whether Davidson, et al, are players going forward; it's not the time to assume they aren't. there will be Nunez' available in the future to stopgap.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 14, 2018 -> 08:11 AM) So to avoid the TLDR posts, I’m greatly concerned these failures will impact our rebuild in the long-run unless we see sudden & vast improvements. Teams like the Cubs, Yankees, & Astros have been successful because they’ve been able to use their LatAm signings to fill holes & maintain their winning ways. Will be able to do the same without the prospect depth these LatAm signings are supposed to provide? What say you soxtalk? Those orgs (add Rangers and Padres) use international signings as a 2nd draft. The Sox really haven't for the most part, which has contributed to a lackluster farm over the years. That said, don't forget Robert...the Sox just used their international assets in a different way.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 11, 2018 -> 06:40 PM) When JD Martinez went from a DFA guy to breakout, he had a .389 BABIP. The next season it went down to about .340 but he added homers. I think Avi could do the same thing. He should hit a lot more than 18. Avi and his development will be one of the more interesting things to watch this seasons. He certainly could make another big leap in production. I'm glad the Sox are keeping him to find out.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Jan 13, 2018 -> 09:14 PM) Astros actually had money to spend but they are basically saying we'd rather swing a trade then do an Arrietta deal. This is a much better move than spending $100 million on Arrietta. But an org. needs real depth to pull it off - Astros have it.

No. too high of a price for a DH.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 13, 2018 -> 07:50 PM) This is something the White Sox are going to have to figure out at some point - what do you do when frontline talent is 2 years from free agency and not behaving like a star? Hold onto them and hope they become a frontline player and you're 1 year from free agency or take the best deal you can? Heck, that's the same scenario we have right now with Garcia. If you are actually contending, you keep the player or trade for a younger major leaguer; if you are trying to contend, but haven't been, it's a tough call (Pirates). But the Sox are in the position of not contending and they have 2 of these players...they really should trade them or extend them over the next year. (Abreu and Avi).

Moran is the highest upside piece the Pirates got. He's the kind of player I'd like to see the Sox make a move for as they try to cover the few areas in which they don't have budding prospects and start creating a team out of young talent.

To the Astros, what they gave up were largely spare parts....they had what they traded covered. But there still was some talent in what they gave up. Musgrove can be a good 4 and a very good 5 on a contending team. That has value. And the Pirates obviously wanted ML ready players, so the ceiling won't be as high as if you trade for A ball players.

Having to pay nearly $5 million for Miguel Gonzalez should send the message in bold, flashing color letters: Stockpile the young pitching!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 04:00 PM) Guys who come to mind... Martin Prado, Kelvin Herrera, Matt Kemp, Brandon McCarthy, Scott Kazmir, Jacob Ellsbury,... Not worth it, unless you just cut them immediately.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 07:09 PM) So fangrpaphs projections are too low by 10+ games? I didn't look at fangraphs projections, but if they predicted 62-65 wins, then, yes, I think they are. I realize the sox played half of 2017 with Q, Frazier, Kahnle, et al. But on the other hand, the win total was depressed by a ridiculously bad July, caused, imv, somewhat by the trauma from all the trades and trade rumors. The Sox had some injuries - Leury, who was having an improved season, missed extended time, and caused the Sox to use a player who should have been in AAA (and hopefully will be in 2018). They may also get Nate back; and some of the less experienced buys in the pen improved. It just doesn't look like a rotten 65 win team to me. It looks like an interesting and hungry 74 win team!

Glad to hear it's fake.

Both of these guys have 2 years max control, so they both need to be moved in July really (although they could wait a year). But Peter was going to wither on the vine in Chicago, and there is room for these pitchers to play and be moved for younger prospects.

Didn't the Sox not protect Peter in Rule 5? Pretty decent return for a player they were willing to lose for nothing.

They'll be a little better than last year: 72-75 wins. Avi will have a good year and they'll sell him in July. Hopefully Soria too. No need to grovel for a top 5 pick. 5-12 is fine.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jan 2, 2018 -> 12:31 PM) Am I the only person who has no idea what this thread's supposed to be about? From what I gather, many of the major players at Southsidesox are leaving and going to soxmachine; Sox machine had been dormant for many years.

These kind of trades just don't go well for the White Sox: all-in on some veteran. And I know "none of the prospects turned out to be squat." Yea, but the veterans we acquire don't end up doing squat either ; and we didn't have the prospects then that we do now.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 10:17 AM) Who here would do Cease + Fulmer for Machado? Seems like a no-brainer to me, but I have a feeling I’ll be in the minority on this one. It's obviously a bargain, but still hurts the White Sox, so no. Any contender would and should do that.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 01:26 AM) Why not wait to see what positions we are going to have holes at before making a big trade? Agree

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 12:04 PM) Dodgers have a lot of prospects, no doubt about it. And yet they aren't trading any of them away for 1 year rents of FA targets next year so that they can demonstrate first-hand, that Dodger culture. And they actually dumped a bunch of declining veterans! Morons

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 12:45 PM) Yes Lopez and Anderson, with Anderson then being packaged to try and get Duffy Good lord.

Any deal involving prospects (except for organizational minor leaguers) or young major league players would vitiate Hahn's claim that he is doing everything in terms of long-term sustainability.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 17, 2017 -> 11:47 AM) Therefore, I don't see Hahn letting Cease go. It seems more likely that something like 2 of the following might work: Fulmer, Stevens or Adams. Even then, I would be reluctant to include Fulmer. They shouldn't move any of them. Nothing at all to be gained. And it distracts them from continuing to amass young talent and moving tradeable assets. They refused to give the rebuild much more than a year last time and the FO is apparently is hell-bent on repeating its mistake.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 05:27 PM) We have the raw talent right now to be better than the 2017 Astros were by 2020. We just need enough of it to work out. We have 1 fewer young stud ready to go around the diamond than them (Altuve, Correa, Springer/Moncada + Jiminez) but we've got a comparable amount of depth, if we can develop some guys...and we have WAY more pitching than they ever dreamed of having this season. Like it's not even a discussion. Their big acquisition was Verlander to fill that need, so we could use one more major player around the diamond. I agree with you. I just don't understand this apparent zeal to deteriorate that talent. And the other effect of this bizarre strategy is not trading Abreu, which, honestly, they really should do