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It may not be CF or only CF. I've suggested before (amidst guffaws) that pitching will be an issue as well. But if they end up with a surplus/cushion in one area, they can make some moves to shore up another area. That type of thing is what the Sox GM does well (when he does it, which isn't that often).

I'm not necessarily looking to trade for a superstar or, say, a 5 year veteran..in fact, that's what I don't want. I am looking to trade, say, a corner OF prospect (a position at which Sox seem to have a some cushion) for a CF prospect or young player. The Sox are good at those type of moves...they just don't do them very often. And, always, for pitching, if the opportunity arises.

Maybe they can sign one of these superstars...that's one hole covered. But they'll still have to make a bunch of moves with the young players and prospects - packaging some up for a different young player, e.g. (like the Eaton and Davidson trades). I would think we'd see some movement in that regard between now and December. If they don't they'll end up with a nice team, but with a Noesi as one of the starting 5, etc.

Holland and Swarzak; 1 bad 1 good; and in 2016, from Rollins to Shields and several others, they were dreadful.

Jones isn't Kahnle either; doesn't have his WHIP, his Ks, or his age, And it was Kahnle and Frazier and Robertson who brought back that package (really Rutherford; the other guy was a Rule 5 eligible; and the other a lottery prospect).

For as good as the prospects that were acquired look, it's stunning how inept this org is at scouting and acquiring veterans.

I trust the process. I don't trust the processor.

Looks like an org minor leaguer; surprised it isn't "Cash considerations"

It took the Royals over a decade to build a contender from drafting and development. And their contention window was short. They just aren't very good at drafting and development. Trades? In the last 3-4 years, the Astros have traded away far more good young players than the Royals have. And the Astros are only getting better. This White Sox Front Office hasn't demonstrated that they understand the draft. Now it's "Stuff" for pitchers, and "Approach" for hitters. I guess it's better than "tools" for hitters, but still not much room for nuance. Maybe there has been an uptick from the draft, but, if so, it's modest. Even if they can build a contender ( a big IF) with these current prospects they acquired by trading away top veteran talent, the window will be short if they keep drafting the way they have been.

I seriously doubt the FO thought it would be this bad. In a normal organization, jobs would be on the line, including the vaunted pitching coach, who, despite his rep., has rarely fielded a top staff despite some top talent.

I don't care about the "unwritten rules" of baseball; I do care about players trying to steal when down 5-0: The reward isn't close in value to the risk.

Good results were expected in 2013, 2015, and 2016, and Hahn didn't get them, nor did he lose his job.

This front office sure has an eagle-eye for veteran talent.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Apr 5, 2018 -> 06:41 PM) We may need to trade a couple of prospects to shore up the bullpen. That's the last thing they should do. Such trades brought Soria and Shields here.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 5, 2018 -> 12:26 PM) You have to play him to figure it out. He has shown in the past he is talented enough to be on a major league roster. The Sox should still be in talent accumulation mode, and Saladino is a part of that process. Can he be optioned to Charlotte?

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Apr 3, 2018 -> 09:33 PM) I don't understand what the benefit of tanking would be this year. We have a lot of high end talent and a top 5 pick this year. We need to start growing for personal reasons and to attract free agents. I don't either. But there just isn't enough pitching on the major league roster or at AAA to avoid it being a bad team. I don't think they are tanking really...just playing the cards they have (although they created those low cards).

I bet it annoys some Sox players as well. The whistle is just stupid clowning. Boston should be told to knock it off.

I'm still looking for this reputed excess pitching depth. The rotation has 2 starters. 3 needed. Okay, I'll add Rodon - 2 needed. The bullpen has one keeper, Jones, who will likely be traded; and perhaps Bummer. The rest are stiffs. 7 needed. That's a total of 9 pitchers needed. Okay, I'll add Fulmer to the pen (kind of a compromise) and that's 8 needed Total of leaving absolutely no depth. Using a prospect wash-out rate of 50% (which is really way too low), that means 16 pitchers are needed just to get to 5 and 8 (in contrast, the Astros have 8 starters). In a best-case scenario, the Sox need 16 legitimate pitching prospects. Oh sure there is free agency (crapshoot) fo a spot or two. And they could trade (the Sox record on trading FOR veterans, is, to be kind, less than exemplary). Stockpile the pitching.

The Sox two best hitting prospects are likely corner OF (Robert could play CF as of now I guess). Moving Avi might make some sense as the Sox should have depth there. Don't see much in the 1B pipeline though (I would think that Davidson might learn the position). No objection to extending Abreu, unless they see signs of decline. Don't see any reason to sign veterans for the sake of veteran leadership; get them to plug holes or shore up the pitching, based on talent need. As of now, 40% of the 25 man consists of veterans anyway.

No He's a horrible defender, and that's the last thing the young Sox pitchers need behind them. And he's not a great hitter either.

When trading for a guy like this, I'd think that they see an aspect of his game that they can change/improve/fix. Glad to see them switching something right off the bat. And Lip, you're on double-secret probation for that one.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Mar 29, 2018 -> 07:01 PM) We have our young guys locked in for 5 or 6 years at non crazy salaries, even with ARB. That will be it for our window as we'll have to replace a few with young guys we draft etc. The good news is we'll have Abreu, Garcia, Shields, and Anderson's contracts off the books. I would say that only Shields belongs on that "good news" list. And yes Avi should be moved if a premium offer is made; Sox have some depth at his position.

2017 was Davidson's first major league season. This idea that young players must produce immediately and will take only minor steps back once hitting the majors, or else they aren't any good is loopy. Sure a few prosper immediately, but most don't.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Mar 2, 2018 -> 07:07 AM) I might sound crazy but 78, 80, 82 wins doesn't sound too far fetched Now look at the starting pitching. 2 or 3 developing youngsters who, hopefully, pitch like mid-rotation guys. Shields, with the improved arm slot, could be a solid #5. Gonzalez who's around a #7. Santiago? maybe a 5. Fulmer?

For goodness sakes, what a bad idea. Heyman did mention "top prospect." Fine, get a top 50 prospect, then the WhiteSox should release him.