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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 26, 2018 -> 08:15 AM) It's complicated so I'll try to explain. Large market teams that offered QO now get a pick after the 2nd round. So the Cubs will get 2 picks after the 2nd round for Arrieta and Davis. Those 6 teams that I listed after the 1st round are all considered small market teams that receives revenue sharing. Those teams still get a pick after round 1 for losing a free agent that offer a QO to. Revenue sharing recipients lose their 3rd highest pick to sign a QO FA. Big market revenue providers (Sox lumped in here) forfeit their 2nd choice to sign a FA. Teams that are over the luxury tax line (SF, Washington, Boston, LAD) would forfeit their 2nd and 5th rounder to sign a QO FA. Does this help? Thanks Jimmy. And it certainly looks like a system that can be "worked" by small market teams, like the Rockies did. Instead of re-signing your own guy, let him go, sign a player from another team, and move up in the draft.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 26, 2018 -> 07:52 AM) He’s basically another version of Avi, but with more proven power. A bit out of date... Santana has primarily played right field in the major leagues, starting there in 508 of 592 games. Santana is a big guy, standing at 6'5" and 225 pounds, which fits his power. Right now, however, it's difficult to see where he might fit on the Brewers barring more deals. He's not a center fielder and right field is occupied by Ryan Braun and the Brewers have a somewhat similar player in Khris Davis in left field. Dominguez has never played first base so it's unlikely the Brewers would try to move him there. But the Brewers don't need to fit him in right away. They can always see what happens the rest of this season and next spring and see if/when he's deserving of another shot at the big leagues. Santana has a strong enough arm for right field if that's where he lands. His defense isn't anything to write home about, but it's not bad either. Brewcrewball.com Avi's fangraphs defensive ratings are below par, but Santana's are awful. As for arm, Santana had 4 assists last year while Avi had 13. Santana looks similar to Evan Gattis to me.

I see the Rockies performed a nice feat of arbitrage, letting Holland go and signing Davis and moving up 9 spots in the process. Speaking of which, I'm not up on the rules, but why do the Rockies have to lose a pick for signing Davis? I assume he wasn't given a QO, or the Cubs would be on that post-first round list of extra picks.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 25, 2018 -> 11:20 PM) The White Sox would definitely have interest in Domingo Santana, as well as Keon Broxton, who has no place to play now unless someone gets injured, same with Phillips. Corey Ray would be another possibility, with his Chicago ties, along with Erceg. That's at least 5 players (I'm assuming we're not going to trade for MORE pitching). I think most of SoxTalk would be elated to acquire Keston Hiura for Abreu, although where he would play (DH/2B, possibly 3B or LF) is another question altogether. I wouldn't think the Sox would be interested in Santana unless he can play a good 1B and they move Abreu. They just can't put a defender like that in the OF this early in the buildup. He might actually be an interesting pickup for Boston. Broxton might be palatable on the buy-low side. As for moving Yolmer, perhaps, but the Sox aren't exactly loaded with Middle Infield prospects (or 3B for that matter).

Another way to look at it for the Brewers is that they turned Jean Segura and a broken Lucroy into Yelich.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 25, 2018 -> 05:27 PM) Would you agree Sox equivalent is Robert, Hansen and Rutherford? I would not agree. Maybe Eloy, Hansen and Rutherford. I would be okay with the sox making this kind of trade if they had shown any ability to regenerate young players like the Astros do. But they haven't. What we see right now is about all we'll get.

I think he's right - too many rebuilders. I cause, I think is the 1 game wildcard.. Teams aren't going to go "all in" for a 1 game playoff series. And honestly, it's ridiculous. Instead, dump divisions and the top 4 make the playoffs...or top 6 and run normal playoff series.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Jan 21, 2018 -> 03:42 PM) Yes. Cease + Rutherford + another big piece that isn't our top 4. Literally anybody from Anderson to Burger to Giolito to Lopez. Heck I would trade that package for him (although not Anderson and preferably not Giolito/hansen). Although not Yelich related, I wonder what the cost of those 2nd tier pitchers- Lynn or Cobb? I think the Sox could use one of those mid-rotation guys for insurance/stabilization purposes.

It's hard to see the Sox could help facilitate a Yelich trade for the Brewers. They both have corner outfielder prospects to trade. The Brewers don't have a good veteran to deal whom the Marlins wouldn't want, but another team might (and the Sox wouldn't anyway). Maybe if the Brewers were willing to move Brinson, and the Marlins wanted a larger volume of prospects, so the Sox could bundle up a few to the Marlins and get Brinson from the Brewers. On the other hand, I could see the Sox needing a 3rd team if they wanted to use Abreu as the primary trade piece.

these players aren't waiving no-trade clauses to sit on the White Sox bench...which is where they should be if the Sox trade for them. No one ranked Burger where the Sox drafted him, so it looked to me like a reach for position...and if that's what they're doing they need to stop. Burdi would never have been selected (just like Tatis would have never been traded) were the Sox realistic with their chances in June 2016.

Law didn't like the Robert signing- not his kind of player. But the concern is the ongoing struggle the Sox have in drafting and developing their own players. Sure they can get a few top guys for trading Sale and Quintana, but this rebuild won't happen if they don't do better on the drafting front.

Ellsbury has had WAR of .9, 2 and 1.6. He's 33. What's the point here? Leury had 1.1 in his first full season with fewer at bats, is younger and earns the league minimum. Milwaukee isn't trading Brinson. I don't see the matchup - both teams have the same "excess" to the extent it exists: corner outfield. The Whitesox better be careful about trading pitching; I know the Cubs did it this way, but there are a lot more rebuilders now and pitching is tight. And White Sox history in the Williams/Hahn era is generally an arm (or more) short, as per Noesi in the rotation for "go for it" teams.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 19, 2018 -> 03:03 PM) I think trading Hansen is dangerous until we know what we have in Giolito & Lopez. Maybe next year it’s a different story, but I’m not giving up one of my few guys who has a chance to be a legit TOR starter. We can always buy an OF in free agency if need be, high end starting pitching is a different story. Trading Hansen is also dangerous because he 1) could be an ace (the Sox have only 1 other prospect who fits that category) and 2)the Sox don't have as much young pitching as they need, much less what some think they have (excess? Yikes!). For all his hype, Yelich just isn't a transformational player. It's too early lock into the good-not-great veterans.

He certainly landed on his feet: job cover a major league team with an ascending publication. Congrats to him. I enjoyed his work covering the Sox.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 18, 2018 -> 05:21 PM) He could. However, a guy who spent 9 years in the minors with decent stats and who has been decent to below average probably won't advance to good. He can still play but be in the role of which he is most suited, utility guy who can play multiple positions. That's why I think he can. he played 6 years in the minors with decent stats (bad, really). Suddenly, in 2016 he sports a .793 OPS in Charlotte - he had never been close to that before at any level of the minor leagues. Then last year, he does a decent job in the majors, taking another step up. I think there's a decent chance he takes a third step up this year.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 18, 2018 -> 11:38 AM) Why does he need to be in AAA? He's not an actual prospect. His likely major league role is as a 4th OF. There's no harm in letting him do that. Because his hitting is substandard, even for a 4th/5th outfielder. He's good enough defensively to offer 1 more year to find out of he can develop the bat to at least 4th OF level (and he'd be a good one, if he can). He's shown flashes with that good AFL Anyway, I like the projected Sox lineup....it's a good rebuild lineup (better in many ways than the "go for it" teams). Add Machado the following year and it's pretty good, if backed by pitching (which has a loooong way to go). REally looking forward to a full year of Delmonico...promising start last year and he takes pitches, which is refreshing.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 18, 2018 -> 10:29 AM) If Tilson makes the team, I think they do this C Castillo 1B Abreu 2B Moncada SS Anderson 3B Sanchez CF Tilson LF Leury RF Garcia DH Delmonico Bench: Narvaez, Saladino, Engel, Davidson I like it other than Engel...he needs to be in AAA if he's not starting. Can that guy we got from the Brewers play CF?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 17, 2018 -> 11:04 AM) The latest Garfein podcast with Cooper is a good listen. https://art19.com/shows/white-sox-podcast/e...fc-9219b3999ec6 I enjoyed hearing Cooper lay waste to this "good in the clubhouse" nonsense.

That's another reason to keep Sanchez..not that they will deal Anderson, but in case his plate discipline and overall hitting doesn't improve. I agree that the Sox are light in prospects after the top 15 or so; but I think they really are beyond the point where they should buy many flip candidates....they need to start building the young players. They need to develop their farm through their own drafting and development. Not particularly interested in trading for Yelich... it's a year early and he's a good player, not a great player.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2018 -> 04:24 PM) I'm somewhat surprised the D-Backs or Rockies aren't in on him if we're talking about NL teams. Because he's terrible defensively....that takes its toll. It's kind of too bad that this FA market didn't come up next year, when the Sox had a better handle on which of their players are keepers. There may be some bargains for various reasons (including the stronger class next year). It's just too early for the Sox to discard players, because some of these guys who showed improvement last year, will another big step this year...just don't know who.

I would put Engel in AAA to work on his bat, which is currently nowhere near good enough. But he has enough talent that warrants keeping him; nothing to be lost giving him a full year in AAA.

This is the time to find out whether Davidson, et al, are players going forward; it's not the time to assume they aren't. there will be Nunez' available in the future to stopgap.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 14, 2018 -> 08:11 AM) So to avoid the TLDR posts, I’m greatly concerned these failures will impact our rebuild in the long-run unless we see sudden & vast improvements. Teams like the Cubs, Yankees, & Astros have been successful because they’ve been able to use their LatAm signings to fill holes & maintain their winning ways. Will be able to do the same without the prospect depth these LatAm signings are supposed to provide? What say you soxtalk? Those orgs (add Rangers and Padres) use international signings as a 2nd draft. The Sox really haven't for the most part, which has contributed to a lackluster farm over the years. That said, don't forget Robert...the Sox just used their international assets in a different way.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 11, 2018 -> 06:40 PM) When JD Martinez went from a DFA guy to breakout, he had a .389 BABIP. The next season it went down to about .340 but he added homers. I think Avi could do the same thing. He should hit a lot more than 18. Avi and his development will be one of the more interesting things to watch this seasons. He certainly could make another big leap in production. I'm glad the Sox are keeping him to find out.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Jan 13, 2018 -> 09:14 PM) Astros actually had money to spend but they are basically saying we'd rather swing a trade then do an Arrietta deal. This is a much better move than spending $100 million on Arrietta. But an org. needs real depth to pull it off - Astros have it.