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Ole Rabbit called it - Rutheford

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:47 PM) this would be smart https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/887483082948956160 Just pay down the salaries.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:43 PM) The league is just so flush right now with SS. He was their top ss prospect prior to trading for Torres, and is clearly expendable. Good - that's a win/win - they deal from surplus.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:28 PM) If Andujar and Mateo are coming back, I doubt that there would be any other players included. I'd certainly be thrilled with those 2. Wouldn't mind a pitcher. Mateo is one of those prospects who sounds familiar, but I don't think he's on the top lists. could be wrong.

Prospect lists are fluid. I'd be happy with 2--3 in the 50-100 range (and rising) as much as one "elite"

Isn't Bruce Levine the least accurate tout ever?

QUOTE (striker @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:33 PM) I think Kahnle's floor is what the Red Sox paid for Tyler Thornburg, which was Yeison Coca (Red Sox #25), Josh Pennington (Red Sox #22), Mauricio Dubon (Red Sox #7) and Travis Shaw. Obviously we don't want a major leaguer like Shaw, we prefer prospects, but he had 5 years of control and was worth 2.2WAR when he was traded. I think if you look at the teams that are in the race: Brewers, Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, Tampa, Dodgers, Diamondback, Rockies, Astros, there will be an arms race for sure. I'm not so sure that that's obvious. We have our prospects. The team is torn down (or will be in 2 weeks). Soon it's build-up time, and you can start taking players with 5 years of control. Relievers are a different story -but position players, sure. These other rebuilders had to spend 2 years amassing prospects. We didn't.

Another laudatory fangrphs article on Kahnle today...comparing him to Andrew Miller. Reading that, don't want to trade him quite yet.

Pitching is gold - particularly this time of year. Stockpile it.

QUOTE (FLsouthsider @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 08:41 PM) Is it possible that Courtney Hawkins learned how to hit in the last week? He and Barnum are still young. Possible; unlikely but possible

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 12:10 PM) Someone suggesting that Kahnle + Frazier is a weaker deal than Robertson + Frazier right now hasn't really done their homework. They're just following the bigger name, former Yankee + closer. More risk (flop risk) with Kahnle. I think the value is on the Kahnle side, but the market would price them approximately equally.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:06 AM) I am in the midst of the CPA. The hardest test to study for actually. It's awful. Not just the hardest test to study for...the hardest test period. I took both and without question CPA harder than Bar. Good luck

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 04:49 PM) It isn't JUST Albies though. That isn't good enough. it would have had to have been Albies PLUS Acuna to match or beat the Cubs deal. Or it would have needed to be Albies + Maitan + another good prospect + at least a mediocre prospect. That has NOT been reported. Just Albies plus others. Albiese plus Acuna would have made the Braves offer far and away better than the Cubs Ablies plus a bottom top 100 guy puts the Braves offer in the same ball park, such that it isn't "far and away" better.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 04:36 PM) - Albies - this is the only one that there was smoke to and while you always go for talent when it's as close as Albies/Jimenez, we had a much stronger need for a power hitting OF. But Albies would defy the "far and away" claim. To me it would, anyway. To Williams and Hahn it may not. Which is the other aspect of this - evaluation is subjective.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 03:58 PM) I don't buy Lowrie to the BoSox as anything other than posturing because they're not going to bring in someone who plays Devers' position and have him potentially blocked out of ST next year. That's not their style, nor should it be. If they slog through a month next year with a replacement level player at 3b out of ST because something slowed Devers in ST or in August and September of this year they'd be more ok with that than paying a higher price for Lowrie. Frazier being only on a 1 year deal is a perfect fit for them and everyone knows it. Lowrie can play 2nd as well. Gives them a good utility player for next year. But he has limited power, and the Red Sox need power.

QUOTE (Sockin @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 12:11 PM) This is speculation from Nightengale but in his column he predicts the Red Sox will get Frazier and Kahnle for Groome and Chavis. I would be ecstatic but I would bet the Red Sox wouldn't give up near that. Also he thinks Robertson goes to the Yankees for (presumably) Andujar. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/c...inez/484205001/ Would love Andjuar for Robertson. The RedSox trade seems way unrealistic. Okay, if it's Kahnle, it's less unrealistic.

Very nice - he's really blown up this season.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) There is no reason why the White Sox won't be able to afford to keep Garcia if they like him, but there's also no reason to talk about an extension with him yet. He's done enough to get the arb offer for next year. Right now, with an .850 OPS, rather than .900, he's on a path to a 4 WAR season. If he's able to put up an .850ish OPS again next year, I sit him down and talk to him about high 8 figures and 5 years after 2018 and go from there. I don't know about an extension. They are likely to have a lot of Avis coming up through the ranks (good hit, no D) and will need to stick some at corner OF spots. I was thinking buy out the last 2 arb years and then trade him next year or the following.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 08:45 AM) No trades or FA signings obviously won't work and at some point additions need to be made but now is not the time for that. The core needs to be internal and then you can make a couple additions at the right spot with FA signings or trades. Cubs didn't sign a Harper either but they had two big signings with Heyward and Lester and a couple more smaller ones with lackey, zobrist and others. I'm not really talking about signing FA....they can do that when they have a hole or 2 to plug when they are ready to go. That's the mistake this (same) FO made in 2014-2015: tried to plug 8 holes with free agents. They will have to sign a few cheapies here and there just to field a team next year. But as the prospects get called up, they are going to have to be fluid and flexible - move some to find players who may better fit what they are trying to do....especially as they don't draft very well (I'll believe the improvement when I see it) and this set of prospects may very well be it. And they have some young players right now that they will have to figure out what to do with to minimize the amount of "rotting on the vine."

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 10:20 PM) Isn't Garcia projected to be part of the rebuild? He's gonna be 28-29 when we are good again. Is Abreu gonna be the only piece we keep along with Anderson? If we are WS winners with an ENTIRELY rebuilt lineup and entirely new starting rotation and relief corps that will be wild. The sox only control him through 2019. He's going to need an OPS near .900 to have real value, because of his defense. They should probably buy our his last 2 arb years. No use wasting the asset...and if he flops again, no big deal really. And I don't think he will flop.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 11:20 AM) What kind of prospect were you expecting? This guy is better than the typical prospect that gets traded in these types of deals. This was probably full value. These type of deals do not involve shifting $4 million in signing money. usually 1/2 million or so. QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 11:01 PM) The Sox have $4.75 million in International Bonus Money. They spent $600K on 2 players. I highly doubt they have Texas $4 million. Probably like $1.5 million tops. It wasn't disclosed when we reached out. $1.5 would make more sense.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 09:43 AM) I thought that way for a bit, but then I realized that you should always trade relievers if the offer is solid. Pen arms are so volatile, I'd try to sell high on Kahnle and get a team to make a good offer. If packaging some combination of Robertson/Kahnle/Swarzak together boosts the return, I absolutely would do it. Remember, we are actively trying to tank and lose games now. I just don't think he'll bring a whole lot. It would be someone like Almonte or maybe a little more That would be a break-even...for someone who's improved 1000% this year (just by throwing strikes). I'm willing to risk it. Plus, as Dick pointed out somewhere, the Sox don't have much to trade after. Keep an asset or 2 and see how things look in a year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 05:42 PM) This rebuild better work. This team is going to be so terrible. I spend money watching them. I get what they have to do, but I am not so sure the right guys are running the show. They get prais d now, but the were praised for going for it in 2015. Praised for what they brought in prior to 2016. Praised for the 2016 draft. Praised for the 3 trades. So far, 2015 and 2016 were busts. The 2016 draft, and it is admittedly way too early, but doesn't look like it was full of future stars, and the trades are still maybe. After the deadline deals, this team is basically dark until the next draft. This winter is going to be boring unless they do some prospect for prospect deals, which at a high level, I would doubt. They won't really have anyone to trade. Next season will be nad on the field at the major league level. I just hope some of these guys who will take up so,e roster spots show some hope. Well I certainly agree with this (although I don't live in Chicago so I don't buy tickets). But they're going to have to make some deals, or this will take a decade. They'll have to adeptly trade up some for some ML ready players (Eaton, Davidson, e.g. - preferably more Eatons) and also trade back down. The Astros let Ed Wade tear the team down, and then brought the A team in. Any chance?

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 05:10 PM) Eh, I don't think they'd do that. Their 3b situation sucks, so it's either give it to Devers in August or get an upgrade now. I don't see him as a definitive upgrade. More of a "why not roll the dice - nothing to lose" kind of deal. Red Sox need homers...and Frazier can hit homers...sometimes.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 05:05 PM) Holt pinch-hit in the 8th and got a hit and then played 3rd in the 9th. Boston has a pretty good deal in that their AAA park is less than an hour from Fenway. So they can move players around pretty easy when both teams are at home. Question now is will they go for Frazier or let Holt bridge them to Devers? they can bide their time. They can wait out Frazier on a waiver claim if necessary.