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I read something on twitter that says Swarzak is #1 in MLB in hard hit ball % (meaning he allows the lowest percentage of HH Balls) among relief pitchers.

Not that interested in Frazier as the centerpiece. Torres, yes. Rutherford yes if surrounded by enough other quality.

What about the Cardinals? They aren't out of it, and they don't want to rebuild anyway. Q would work well for them.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 11:08 AM) I chalk it up to Tatis starting to break out. If the Sox knew he had the potential to be a top 100 prospect no way they deal him in the Shield's trade. There will always be some risk when dealing such young players, but I'm not too concerned about Tatis at this point. That's what we need out of the FO for this to work - identify the guys with potential to breakout before they break out. And identify the guys who are in that 50-100 range, but who are about to breakout into the top 30 or so range. Kyle Tucker is one of those. Now he's probably untouchable.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) Doubtful the Tigers would be willing to eat $30 million of his contract just to move him. Plus they will still want significant prospects in return for doing so. I doubt he gets traded. I think they Tigers are in dreamland then. He is a Tigers icon, so I can see them just holding.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 10:46 AM) That is phenomenal news for Micker! I still have a feeling that Tatis wouldn't even be mentioned around here if not for that trade. He could be raking in the minors for the Sox and people here wouid be going "yeah, he looks interesting but his BABIP is too high and he strikes out too much." A prospect in the top 100, top 25 in some publications, wouldn't be mentioned (or if leeway for hyperbole, rarely mentioned, or people wouldn't be excited about him)? I do think that it's a little suspect that Tatis suddenly blows the prospect lists out of the water after 2 months in the Padres organization, after barely being mentioned in the Sox org. It also might illustrate some of the Sox gap in trading Q...they knew that Tatis was a good prospect and improving, so if they are willing to move him for the aging and mediocre (at best) Shields, why in the world wouldn't a team want to send 3 good prospects for Q? I just hope the Sox can find some of these rising prospects for themselves.

They made that trade a mere 6 weeks before they decided to rebuild. If it wasn't for that foolsgold good start in 2016......

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 10:00 AM) He's talking about our front office. If there is still a huge valuation gap between them and all other GMs on Quintana, then it's probably time for the Sox to rethink their demands. At some point Quintana's diminishing control will cause his value to drop as well, so we can't wait forever until someone pays our price. The clock is ticking and I think they'd be crazy to wait any longer to deal him, especially given the current market conditions for quality starting pitching. Precisely. And let's face it, it's not that surprising that the Sox face some dissonance. They've generally favored vets over prospects; most of the teams that would need Q have built from within and without the need for heavy trades (the Astros have done both because their farm is so good - we'll see).

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 07:25 AM) You are starting to lose it. The Padres had to eat over half of his contract to move Shields. The Sox only took on $27M for 2 1/2 years of control. That's about how much Verlander makes in one season. And the Tigers aren't going to eat any money while also expecting quality prospects in return. The situations aren't even remotely comparable. There is similarity - Verlander is just more expensive. Verlander makes $28 million per; Shields $22 million per. Verlander has 3.5 years left; Shields had 2.5 years left. Verlander's 2 years younger than Shields - so by the time the contract liability is paid out, both will be of the same age. If the Tigers sell it for the same percentage that the Padres did, the buyer would be on the hook for about $44 million ($7, $13, $13, $11) for 3.5 years of team control. Certainly more $ and years than Shields (Who also inexplicably cost prospects), but to do a deal like this, the acquiring team has to be looking in the past. And Verlander's past was better. Maybe someone would bite if they cut it to $30 million. I hope the Tigers are stuck with him.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 08:25 AM) Point is we desperately need to add to our positional core. I actually feel pretty good about our pitching depth. I'd argue it's in the top 2 in baseball along with the Braves. The pitching may be top 2 in baseball, but if you use a 2 prospects for 1 major leaguer equation, it's still light. They'll need 5 major leaguers (4 with Rodon plus at least 1 extra for debt). As for positional players, I certainly agree that the Sox are lite...But in contrast to pitching, they have some young positional players on the Major league roster who might be keepers. Yolmer and Leury performed like major league starters....now they would be the weakest starters on a championship team, they may be bench players ultimately, but they were capable. And there are others who have shown some glimpses. In pitching, nothing beyond Kahnle.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 08:06 AM) It's fine that you THINK that Sale should have returned that, but organized baseball simply doesn't agree. Hahn shopped the hell out of Sale for months and took the highest bid he received. The same will hold true for Q. Presumably Hahn got offers in December (we don't exactly know what they were) which established the market, but he passed. Now the market is different in July, so we'll see. I'm just not convinced that Q, for who much of the value is contract and control, gets substantially higher offers in July than December....whether enough to offset the 60% of 1 season less value the receiving party gets for him. And then the question becomes, do they move him for best offer, even if they don't like it, or hold again for better offer (which certainly one would think would be a good bit less than last December). We'll find out. I'm okay with moving Q to the Cubs - with Jiminez as the centerpiece. None of this Schwarber stuff - DH is the last position to fill in a rebuild. I doubt the Cubs want to send their last elite prospect across town anymore than the Sox want to send Q to the northside.

the Sox can get multiple years of value by trading him; 1 year (maybe 2020) by keeping him. Gotta trade him.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 01:56 PM) Joe Ross just left with an injury for the Nats. Velocity was scary low for him today And a thin staff as it is. Come to Papa Hahn, Rizzo...he'll make it all better.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 01:00 PM) It's their 2nd, 3rd and 6th best prospects for a SP who's ERA is 4 and WHIP is 1.3. Per the recent BA list, the top 4 are Rodgers, Tapia, Pint (77) and McMahon. #77 headiner is lite.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) I understand what your point is here, but just in the last 6 months or so, our perspective on so many of these guys' perceived value has been altered. That will certainly happen AFTER many of these guys have been traded to us as well. I've just learned to not overreact as much to any short-term success or struggles of any of these guys. True but in my memory, HS pitching has never been the Sox draft preference; that's essentially what they'd get, just a year hence and some pretty questionable results during that year. From the Sox perspective, I think he'd have to be deeply discounted, which means not a headliner.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 11:15 AM) Meanwhile I feel like Kahnle has given up a run or more in his last 3 outings yea, but they have time to trade him, so given the choice, I'd rather Kahnle struggle a little than Swarzak or Robertson. I don't know Coors Field well enough to judge those deep fly balls; it didn't look like Hanson played it well, but it didn't look to me like the Rockies OF played fly balls well either (Rockies could probably use an upgrade to their OF defense). And after that, Kahnle pitched fine.

This man was the hero last night and recently. He got the Sox out of the big jam. And then pitches another inning. He did the same thing the last game the Sox won, protecting Rodon's W. Robertson and Q are holding their value, but Swarzak's should be soaring.

They have to move Frazier. No need to keep him around or re-sign him. Davidson's fine for a stop gap, plus an audition to see if he's more.

Some Brewers Brinson 16 Woodruff 43 Hader 61 (fell from 31) Ortiz 67

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 06:36 AM) How about when the Astros recently traded Josh Fields for Yordan Alvarez? That's a really good example because Fields was far worse than any pitcher that anyone contemplates the Sox trading. It would be like getting something for Pelfrey. One can just look at pure scrap-heap pickups to find gems: start with everyone's favorite team - the Brewers - and Jesus Aguilar.

North - has anyone seen Louie Lechich? He's a minor prospect i know, just one I find intriguing. His stats are good, other than he walks way too many. Just wondering how he is progressing.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 06:42 AM) Verlander/Avila to Cubs for Almora and a few minor league pitchers Let's see if the Cubs have any interest in the Sox 1.5 WHIP pitchers. I assume that Verlander has kept his velocity or most of it (considering the apparent demand for his services) but he's also 34.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 07:36 PM) We're talking about a guy who if all goes well could conceivably land an Andrew Miller type return in just a few years, while other potential guys at that spot could very still be in the minors. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't waste an early pick on just any reliever, but I think a guy like Burdi is well worth it. Of course that's only if he turns out to be the absolute elite. What if he turns out to be a really good reliever- say David Robertson. I guess we'll found out soon enough what the flip value is. A really good position player or starter is simply worth more. And, obviously an elite starter or position player is worth a lot more than an elite reliever.

The best relievers - the tippy top -are, what 3 WAR players? Ceiling 3 WAR is not a judicious use of a first round pick. Burdi was the reputed "fastest to the majors" guy in the draft. And the Sox needed bullpen help and were taking their last "we're still in it" gasps at the time. They wouldn't have drafted him in a rebuild. But he looks like a good pitcher, so it's fine.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 01:18 PM) I can buy your premise if the guys we get for Swarzak have a chance to help a contending team someday but I severely doubt that. A lot of good major league players were nondescript prospects when acquired. Acquire enough of them, and you will hit on some. It's a no-lose situation to trade players who are impending FAs, which includes Swarzak.