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Well there are a lot of free and available players who aren't getting signed so I wonder if that model as a way to maximize player value isn't obsolete. There's a cap on what a team can pay international signees so I don't see how a draft affects total dollars. And if you aren't competitive you aren't putting much money into free agents. I would think issues like roster expansion, cutting back season to 154 games and expanding playoffs would be more player friendly.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 4, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) The only things the players association is concerned about, rightfully so, are things like increasing players salary, benefits and retirement. Thus, a draft of any kind decreases salary and player movement. They don't care about making teams competitive, that isn't their job. But having more teams competitive would increase player movement and player salaries. The lack of competitive teams is a reason for the current situation.

First, I think that advanced analytics has a lot to do with this. Chris Carter is both a 40 home run guy and a 1 WAR player. Teams value players differently. They also realize that they can get more value out of a cheap young player than an average veteran in many cases. I also never understood why the players association was so hell bent on no international draft. A draft would, among other things, improve the competitive balance...and with that comes less tanking/rebuilding. The reason teams need to rebuild is that many front offices are incapable of evaluating budding talent, signing it and developing it. So they have to get it pre-packaged and pre-evaluated from other orgs that know what they are doing. A draft gives the franchises with less skilled front offices a better chance.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 3, 2017 -> 04:05 PM) I'd love to get Franklin Perez from Houston I think they like him alot though Looks good. Don't always have to go for the obvious...in fact, they shouldn't. I hope Hahn is willing to leave Musgrove out if he's what's holding things up.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 3, 2017 -> 08:01 AM) Prediction - Jose Guillermo Quintana is traded for Kyle Tucker, Francis Martes, Ramon Laureano, and the 75th pick on February 10th at EXACTLY 3:24 PM. I take it the Astros picks are tradeable?

Well if the Astros new bounty of pics helps the Sox I'm all for it. That said on a sidenote I'm not really sure how much the Astros were hurt that warranted them getting those pics. To be sure the Cards were advantaged and were rightly penalized. I don't really see why they should've gone to the Astros. Yes They were embarrassed a bit by some of the revelations like Luhnow thinking that a team would actually give him a top prospect for Lucas Harrel.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 03:20 PM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-best-an...-team-defenses/ I hope that, among other changes, Sox make defense a priority during this makeover. I could see the defense improve pretty easily with Tilson or Peter B in centerfield and perhaps the other in right. catcher will be better defensively. We all know that Navarro was terrible defensively, yet the defense stats didn't say so. but in the end it doesn't really matter this coming year anyway except that it's important to protect the pitchers.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 07:45 AM) If Anderson can continue to play that type of defense, it's worth 2-2.5 war alone. On the list of Sox problems, he's not in the Top Ten. Depends on how you look at it. Anderson has the raw talent to be a 4 war player; Developing a team full of those types is the point of the rebuild. Squandering Anderson's potential for the sake of the "we're still in it" Williams/Hahn fantasy land of 2016 would be costly indeed. It's tougher to break habits in the majors. Let's hope he can.

Don't really see the point here; it's not like he's a player who can be dressed up and flipped. Just old habits die hard, I suspect.

How is an injury to a player not a factor in trade talks, unless there are none because of the injury; of if they aren't trying to trade him and there are no trade talks.

Indians will do some platooning. Ventura never was interested. Hopefully the Sox do it when they build the team back up. It's an efficient way to maximize value.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 08:35 PM) Levine wrote tonight that their verbal disagreements got so bad last year that Eaton moved his locker. Frustratingly Levine provided no more details. Eaton's a clown...that was obvious. But he could play...and a lot better than Frazier can. I hope it's coincidence that the 2 players moved were the 2 locker room pains in the neck. Because the dispersal needs to continue - long way to go.

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 08:18 AM) 60-41 today. No Sox, but Fernando Tatis Jr. made it at #47. Good lord. Plus a big contract liability. Is it possible to be more incompetent?

It's not like Anderson was actually making contact with those balls out of the zone....he struck out over 25% of the time. I'd say improving plate discipline more than a bit is paramount and can turn him into a perennial .800 OPS hitter versus an Alexei ceiling.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) Baseball in general, and the Sox have reached a pretty large low in the trading fronts ... or maybe that's just my take. I thought by now we'd hear a lot more not just on Q but all the other pieces. I know we don't have to trade them all at once and maybe even a Robertson or Frazier is better to wait on to hopefully build more value, but man is this slow. Leave it to the Sox to do a half assed tear down like they did a half ass run at the playoffs. Given that the Sox should be trying to trade every competent vet (except for Rodon) off of the Major League roster, yes it has been slow. But I would say that most of the guys, except for Q and maybe Abreu, are better traded in July. That would require the Sox to heavily participate in the July market, which they should be up for that this year. Q needs to be moved before the season, however. No idea what the Sox are asking are what they teams are offering; but demanding young players who have already had a ML impact is howling at the moon. This rebuild should be relatively quick, but not because they are getting all ML ready players or withholding some of their ML players to try to stay "competitive". It should be quick because they have so much ML value to trade.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 04:12 PM) All the same, I don't think the Sox should make sacrifices in deals simply because it's pitching heavy. They've shown an aptitude towards developing pitchers, with little towards developing hitters (Tim Anderson being the best in a long time). They should get players they feel create the best package possible, position be damned. They haven't been that adept at developing pitchers either. What above average major league pitchers have come out of the system in the last 5 years? Nate Jones; maybe Reed in that time period. Rodon, but he was drafted #3. Santiago, if one stretches the term "above average" a bit. I think that poor scouting and talent evaluation (of pitchers and hitters) is at least as critical an issue as development. Anyway, the Sox need position prospects; they could take pitchers and then trade pitching prospects for hitting prospects later on, if the FO has it in them to do that.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 21, 2017 -> 06:25 PM) I just don't get how Burdi isn't a top 100 prospect. The guy has the chance to be an elite closer and his floor is probably an elite setup man. Not suggesting he should be a top 50 or even 75 guy, but to not crack the list is crazy to me. He was a college reliever; one of the reasons he was ranked reasonably high in the draft was the belief that he could get to the majors quickly - while that quick to the majors feature appeals to teams in the draft and provides a speedy ROI, I'm not sure it translates to a high prospect ranking. And at the time of the draft, Hahn was still operating as if the Sox "were still in it", as the draft was around the same time as the Shields folly. No way Fulmer makes the top 100; Hansen may, but I doubt it.

Considering that the trades thus far have yielded a bevy of close to the majors guys and the Sox system (at lest per Law) remains weak in younger prospects, and considering contenders appear reluctant to part with close to majors guys, perhaps a trade for one guy close but more top talent further away to make up the value, could be in order.

Number 10 Little depth beyond top 8. Sox prospects generally had bad years last year. Which again stresses point- Sox have to do better with their own drafting, developing and signing internationally for this to work. Padres number 3- quite a recovery after Preller's first year clown show.

Law had the Sox at 12 or 15 - something like that - 2 years ago. We went backwards the next year, per his rankings He likes Hahn.

To me, the question was Coats or Kahnle. With 6.6 BB/9, I'd have voted Kahnle to the outbox. Not sure what the Sox see in him now or when they traded for him.

QUOTE (GermanSoxFan @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 03:16 PM) The Rangers had no qualms about trading Demeritte for Lucas freaking Harrell. He isn't good enough to be a substantial piece for Q. Maybe in as a throw in like Diaz in the Sale trade. That's as good an indication of his market value as anything...traded for a AAAA pitcher. QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 03:13 PM) Braves are not giving us Albies + Newcomb + Demeritte + Gohara/Fried That is three top 75 prospects (according to fansided) plus Demeritte I can't see Atlanta punting so much of its future like that, even for Quintana Isn't that about what Q is worth? 3 top 75 prospects? Maybe it doesn't make sense for Atlanta to do that, but Q is worth that.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 12:17 PM) http://sportsmockery.com/2017/01/mlb-insid...uintana-trades/ Breakdown of suggested deals Astros = Martes + Tucker + Paulino Pirates = Bell + Keller + Newman/Tucker Yankees = Mateo + Judge + Rutherford + Tate Rockies = Dahl + Rodgers Thoughts guys? I know sports mockery is usually trash, but this is from a former GM Astros - need more; switch out Paulino Pirates - add on back end Yankees- not sure; nix to Judge Rockies - Absolutely Yes

I think framing is a legit skill, but I'm not sure that the stat is that accurate. I suspect that there are a lot of other variables that haven't been isolated from framing. SABRE Defensive stats have been around a lot longer and they are still lacking,imo. It may take a while.

I don't see the market getting better from the supply side; there's no one else on the market now so how could it possibly get better? Now it could improve from the demand-side in July as teams get desperate. Still I suspect then that supply will increase to meet the demand and keep the price down. The Yankee situation was different as their two relievers were far and away better than anybody else on the market