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QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:35 PM) At worst a long reliever but I think he will be valuable to the big league club To a good big league club? Or to next year's club. Beck will be valuable to next year's club.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:44 PM) Clarkin is very underrated. I would put him in the Guerrero range and say he has a better chance to start than someone like Fulmer Rule 5 eligible. Fulmer isn't much of a bar, sadly.

It will be nice to see Clippard pitch decently so Hahn can flip him. Clippard has enough incentive - get off of this team, join a winning team, set things up for his next contract Polo looks pretty athletic. That's a plus.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 05:15 PM) I think he will be a nice middle reliever as soon as next year. Can't seem him sticking as a starter. I'll take it.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:23 PM) I don't quite understand this trade from the Yankees' perspective. Is their bullpen that bad? They already have Betances and Chapman. How bad can it really get? If they just needed MR help, they didn't need to give up their #3 prospect to do it. Is Frazier that big of an upgrade over what they have? They Yankees dealt from strength. They have numerous OF prospects. They sent us a guy Rule 5 eligible, and they will have 40 man problems this year - he was excess. Polo is fringe. I don't this trade is Hahn's best work, but it's a far cry from his worst.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:37 PM) Who else on this team is going to land a prospect of Blake Rutherford's caliber. I'll be waiting. D Rob and Kahnle each should score a bottom 100 - together a 50ish prospect okay but not remarkable. Would prefer no Rule 5 guys either.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:15 PM) Turning Frazier, Robertson and kahnle into Rutherford, clarkin, polo and clippard it's a great move by hahn and co No money expected to change hands I think it's a touch light. I thought D Rob was a 70-100 guy plus a fringe; Same with Kahnle. so instead it would be 1 30-50 guy and 2 fringes; So nothing for Frazier (although I guess it could be Frazier for Clippard, but that wouldn't be in the Sox interests). They will have a low payroll next year - they should be able to eat some money.

Clarkin rule 5 eligible in A ball. Hope for good #4 in deal. Rutherford great.

Clippard's not bad. Now arbitrage him in the next 2 weeks.

Renteria playing for a tie with a bullpen with 1 competent arm. it's beyond belief how this guy kills rallies.

Nice start for Gonzalez - went 6, which is fresh air.

Ole Rabbit called it - Rutheford

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:47 PM) this would be smart https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/887483082948956160 Just pay down the salaries.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:43 PM) The league is just so flush right now with SS. He was their top ss prospect prior to trading for Torres, and is clearly expendable. Good - that's a win/win - they deal from surplus.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:28 PM) If Andujar and Mateo are coming back, I doubt that there would be any other players included. I'd certainly be thrilled with those 2. Wouldn't mind a pitcher. Mateo is one of those prospects who sounds familiar, but I don't think he's on the top lists. could be wrong.

Prospect lists are fluid. I'd be happy with 2--3 in the 50-100 range (and rising) as much as one "elite"

Isn't Bruce Levine the least accurate tout ever?

QUOTE (striker @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:33 PM) I think Kahnle's floor is what the Red Sox paid for Tyler Thornburg, which was Yeison Coca (Red Sox #25), Josh Pennington (Red Sox #22), Mauricio Dubon (Red Sox #7) and Travis Shaw. Obviously we don't want a major leaguer like Shaw, we prefer prospects, but he had 5 years of control and was worth 2.2WAR when he was traded. I think if you look at the teams that are in the race: Brewers, Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, Tampa, Dodgers, Diamondback, Rockies, Astros, there will be an arms race for sure. I'm not so sure that that's obvious. We have our prospects. The team is torn down (or will be in 2 weeks). Soon it's build-up time, and you can start taking players with 5 years of control. Relievers are a different story -but position players, sure. These other rebuilders had to spend 2 years amassing prospects. We didn't.

Another laudatory fangrphs article on Kahnle today...comparing him to Andrew Miller. Reading that, don't want to trade him quite yet.

Pitching is gold - particularly this time of year. Stockpile it.

QUOTE (FLsouthsider @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 08:41 PM) Is it possible that Courtney Hawkins learned how to hit in the last week? He and Barnum are still young. Possible; unlikely but possible

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 12:10 PM) Someone suggesting that Kahnle + Frazier is a weaker deal than Robertson + Frazier right now hasn't really done their homework. They're just following the bigger name, former Yankee + closer. More risk (flop risk) with Kahnle. I think the value is on the Kahnle side, but the market would price them approximately equally.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:06 AM) I am in the midst of the CPA. The hardest test to study for actually. It's awful. Not just the hardest test to study for...the hardest test period. I took both and without question CPA harder than Bar. Good luck

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 04:49 PM) It isn't JUST Albies though. That isn't good enough. it would have had to have been Albies PLUS Acuna to match or beat the Cubs deal. Or it would have needed to be Albies + Maitan + another good prospect + at least a mediocre prospect. That has NOT been reported. Just Albies plus others. Albiese plus Acuna would have made the Braves offer far and away better than the Cubs Ablies plus a bottom top 100 guy puts the Braves offer in the same ball park, such that it isn't "far and away" better.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 04:36 PM) - Albies - this is the only one that there was smoke to and while you always go for talent when it's as close as Albies/Jimenez, we had a much stronger need for a power hitting OF. But Albies would defy the "far and away" claim. To me it would, anyway. To Williams and Hahn it may not. Which is the other aspect of this - evaluation is subjective.