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QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 25, 2016 -> 04:16 PM) Bregman is extremely versatile. Saladino and Sanchez can both play anywhere in the IF. You guys are arguing apples and oranges here. Why do versatile players need to have a set position, especially in this day and age? Bregman will hit anywhere you put him and Saladino will defend anywhere you put him. Agree

This is a tough call. If he is to start, he's got to smooth out his mechanics. From what I read, they tried, it wasn't working, so he reverted to his old mechanics and did better. At this point, I'd say that if they think he can be a great reliever, keep him there, and try to move him in July for a premium. If the prognosis is good/not great reliever, then go back to square one and work on the delivery and starting, perhaps in A or AA. I would look at Burdi the same way. Apparently they do think he can be a great reliever, so maybe pitch him to move him. If not, step back and work him as a starter as well. If it doesn't work out for either, they can go back to relief. As an aside, if Burdi and Fulmer are to be great relievers, then the Sox would have quite a 3 headed late-inning pen with Jones, Burdi and Fulmer.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Nov 25, 2016 -> 06:18 AM) Why is it far fetched to get Bregman and Springer for Sale. Bregman hasn't proven a thing at the MLB level and Springer isn't an untouchable superstar by any means. Sale is the top LH in the American, only 27, and tremendously underpaid. Those 2 are a starting point in my book. If Sale was on another team, people would be saying the Sox would have to offer Eaton, Anderson, and Rodon for starters. The Astros are in go for it mode, and would be cutting their own throat trading away 2 major offensive players. It's unrealistic to expect them to do that even though Sale is probably worth it. Springer shouldn't be a key piece for the Sox anyway; good, not great, 4 years left, about to hit arb. His best position isn't a key defensive position. Like I said in another thread, he's like Swisher. QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 25, 2016 -> 07:02 AM) Why do some people who want Bregman want to play him at third? He'd be far more valuable at a middle infield position. He just played more 3B than second the last year and a half because of Correa and Altuve. To me it depends on who they have at 3B if he plays 2B; or who they have at 2B if he plays 3B. Sox have a few guys who can play 2B, fewer who can play 3B (and one of those for 1 year only) and have come up with only 3 good 3B in the past 30 years.

Sale - Goes Quintana - Stays Robertson - Stays until deadline Frazier - Goes Jones - Goes Abreu - Goes Melky -Stays until deadline Eaton - Stays Jennings - Stays until deadline Gonzalez/Shields- Stay as somebody has to pitch and no reason or Rick Hahn to rush up any more prospects; one may get moved in July if has a great year.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Nov 24, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) Am I the only person who would want Anderson moved to CF if the Sox acquire Bregmen? Anderson's defensive numbers were a lot better than Bregman's. Boston package is my third choice behind LAD and Houston.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 24, 2016 -> 07:56 AM) Hope we don't trade him without giving him a real opportunity. Agree Rick Hahn has dispatched a lot of second tier ML ready prospects in his few years at the helm.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 11:04 PM) I don't disagree with what you're saying, but Walker has accomplished basically nothing. He obviously has a huge ceiling, but right now it doesn't look he's going to reach it. It's very possible they're selling high on Walker. Walker has a lower WHIP and ERA than Rodon; that is mitigated because his park is friendlier, and he doesn't have Rodon's 9 Ks/9, but he's got 8. There is some talent there. Seattle may be selling high on Walker; Arizona also may be selling high on Segura. That's what makes the trade interesting.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 10:47 PM) Interestingly bad, in my opinion. Lots of moves like the Sox have been known to make in the past (hopefully). They're definitely trying to win in 2017 and 2018 at any cost. Some good, some bad. But they don't seem like Sox moves at all to me. .

Jerry DiPoto makes a lot of interesting trades. Walker may or may not develop further, but he's a decent #4 right now. Arizona will do at least okay.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) Between 80 games in AA and AAA in 2016 Bregman slashed .306/.406/.580 with 20 HR. That doesn't just profile at SS. That profiles anywhere. Play him at 3B...a long time problem for the Sox. And he's still a prospect...an elite prospect, but Sale should command an elite (top 10) prospect + Saladino and Sanchez can cover 2B...or at least we'll have time to find out.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 07:42 PM) Of course, Springer isn't that type of defender. But getting both Bregman and Springer for Sale is probably unrealistic...that's where you have to throw in another player like Frazier or Jones and go after guys like high ceiling but 2-3 years from the big leagues prospects like Tucker/Cameron. Or preferably take Bregman and prospects and forget Springer who will be near or at 30 when the Sox are good again. They've got some pitching and OF prospects.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 06:48 PM) If they execute things right, becoming a contender won't take 5 years. They have more assets going for them to aid in rebuilding than any team I can think of recently. True, but if they get Springer, that's about all they are going to get for Sale. Springer is kind of like what Swisher was when the Sox traded for him...similar numbers, similar age, both could play CF if they had to. Springer's 27. Bregman's 22. Part of the execution has to be major improvement in the Sox own development/drafting/signing of young players.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 05:23 PM) I'm really curious why Houston seems so eager to move Springer. He seemingly fits in well in that clubhouse and fits perfectly on paper with Correa, Altuve, ect. Probably willing to move him more than eager. His defense isn't great, he Ks a lot and plays corner OF. He's very good, not great. But considering his service time, rebuilding and the dire Sox need for defense (something that Rick Hahn has consistently ignored to the ongoing detriment of his team) , I'm really not interested in Springer as a headliner, even if Bregman isn't available. Plus, given the history of the Sox FO I think Springer as headliner will bring severely diminished overall return.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 02:58 PM) If Bregman is on the table, you make that deal. +1

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) It's not about replicating Theo. It's about doing it the right way. And Theo didn't have anywhere close to the tradeable assets that Hahn and Williams have. If the Sox trade Sale, Q, Eaton and Jones, that is as big a dispersal of highly productive players in their prime as I've ever seen. Plus they have some of the short term guys like Frazier, D Rob and Melky, which is about all that most reubilders have to sell Now they can't flood the market with them and some are better traded in July. It didn't take Theo 5 years to build a winner, and if Hahn and Williams have any kind of competence, it shouldn't take them that long either. And, of course, the farm needs to become productive (drafting, international signings, development) or this is all a one-shot deal.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 12:11 PM) There is a zero chance that any Chris Sale deal doesn't involve liberal input from not only Kenny Williams, but JR as well. I just want him to stay out of the specifics. It's his eagle eye and lust for tools that gave us Avisail, Walker and Hawkins and many others. He has a bad habit of getting myopic about specific players/prospects and losing value because of it. He can give some overall parameters and then the "OK" if he believes the trade is fair, but he needs to stay out of the way of the specific return. And, yes, I know I'm dreaming.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) When the depth is bad in the first place and the temptation to use him is there because of the whims of the front office, its best that said "bad depth" is as far away as humanly possible from the organization. Mark I liked him better in that role than Scott Carroll...and I suspect that the Sox will have a few Ranaudos/Carrolls picking up starts this year as they take their time with the pitching prospects.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 12:15 PM) Bregman, younger and more years of control- and extremely talented. But I like the way the Sox match up with LA better for a monster haul. I like the way we match up with the Dodgers farm and perhaps their secondary needs for a monster haul. But the Astros front office is a much better match up with the Sox.

QUOTE (Carpe Diem @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 11:51 AM) Apparently Bregman and Springer are being dangled (not together) but the team still would ideally prefer trading him to the NL. Want Bregman Don't want Springer. Springer with his tools and high Ks is probably a KW guy...Stay out of it, KW.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 07:29 AM) I think it'll be Sale, Frazier, Melky, and Jennings. Maybe Robertson but they might just see if he can dominate the first couple months before trading him. Edit: I keep forgetting about Gonzalez. If a team needs a back end starter hes there. If Jones has another good year, they should be able to squeeze a real premium out of him in July.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 22, 2016 -> 11:33 PM) Petricka's coming off an injury as well, so you can probably cross him off the list. In terms of the minor leagues, a couple of guys who might thrive in that role would be Jordan Stephens and Spencer Adams. Hansen's another name to watch, as well. Petricka should be able to throw multiple innings (based on performance before surgery). Trouble is that he's a last man in the bullpen quality pitcher, so it doesn't help. And really, regular multiple inning outings doesn't make a lot of sense in the regular season. It reduces the ability to use them when really needed - high leverage.

Sale will return more than Q. Q not viewed as an ace. Q would work much better in a retool or rebuild. Keep Q and trade Sale.

He was special enough for the braintrust to protect on the 40 man. Can they protect another player now?

A third baseman, I see....

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2016 -> 02:03 PM) He is going to get 1 chance to cash in on the FA market in his career. You want him back you're going to have to pay for him. If you want him to stay past this season you'd have to pay for him.