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QUOTE (Mattchoo @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:00 PM) I don't get why Pitt would want to trade Glasnow. He seems like on the verge and could be 1 or 2 starter talent. Because you can trade/ sign a 1/2 starter. Hitters of that caliber rarely get to the market until they are past their prime. Plus trading Glasgow creates equivalence- 6 years of maybe a 1/2 starter for 4 years of a 1/2 in his prime.

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) To state the obvious, we really need to start drafting and developing better, especially when it comes to position players. It's always frustrating to see all these well-stocked farm systems and then we have to give up a Chris Sale or Jose Quintana just to catch up. Amen!

I don't know that Tucker is untouchable. And if he is, move on. The objective evaluators certainly don't grade him out as untouchable skill.

This isn't a good market to trade Abreu. Maybe next year will be - not sure which 1B/DH are up for FA, but several were this season. Melky looks like a deadline deal; if he has a good year, but get a bottom top 100 for him. If not, then a flier. But that's okay. I'd like to see someone pony up for Robertson and move him before the season to create more room for Jones and perhaps others who could be flipped.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:56 AM) I'm on pirates.com message board and they're saying they need to make a trade for Q at all costs. One guy said trading Glasnow is ok because Q is in the rotation for almost as long as he would be but Meadows would be a tough loss. Same guy said if Meadows is in the deal, then they would be able to deal McCutchen over the next year or so with Bell could go back to LF with Marte in CF. Yes, just looking at twitter, the Pirates fans seem much more enthusiastic than the Yankees or Astros fans. The Astros may be tainted because they have traded a bunch of prospects over the past couple of seasons with less than stellar results.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:57 AM) You might want to re-read the Samardzija trade thread. Of course Trayce Thompson is a prospect you build a team around. And when he was Glasnow's age, an age where you say he should be ready for a rotation spot, he was hitting .229 in AA striking out at an alarming rate. He's one you keep, esp when you have no one else in CF. These non-elite prospects who can produce at league average levels would have certainly helped, perhaps allowing the Sox to spend the $17 million on a real player instead of Rollins, Justin Turner, etc. But the Sox got Dunn with a glove and a good attitude, so all is well.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:27 AM) Asking for Conforto lol. Always ask high, then negotiate. Kind of hard to value Conforto. One good year, one bad year. Decline in BABIP corresponds with increased K rate.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:31 AM) He has been too good for GreenSox. He likes mediocre guys. Glasnow is 22 has a 2.06 ERA in 500 minor league innings and struck out over 1 an inning during his brief call up. I want the Sox to get position players, but in decline, isn't ready for a rotation spot and should be at 22 is just so far against what he has posted about far lesser prospects. It has to be a joke. Now he isn't happy with prospects. Ooooh, Dick, got me again, right? Uh, that would be a no. I just don't like this prospect who is a member of the Pirates. Oh horrors! You will also note he dropped in BA's rankings as well. And to think only a year ago you (and others) were lecturing me from your high horse about the seminal, generational talents of Frazier and Samardzija.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:22 AM) He's 22 lol Decline in prospect terms means they aren't making the progress they once were. May be overcome, or it may not be, but it needs to be discounted from player value.

No Glasgow as centerpiece please. Appears to be in decline and Sox need position players. He is at the point in his career where he should be ready to step into a rotation....but he isn't.

I see that Phil has checked in with 8 trade proposals, balanced, it appears, by the rankings of the prospect within each partner's own farm. Needless to say...Mercy!

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 05:31 PM) What am I missing with Trevor Brown? I'll admit I know nothing about him, but I don't see much to like based on a quick google search. Seems like there are better prospects to target, perhaps a guy like Chris Shaw could work. Looks to be a decent catcher. Frazier will only bring a 2nd tier prospect or 2, Sox need a catcher (they can do without a decent 3B, CF or whatever else, but they need a catcher), so Frazier seems to me to be a decent asset to trade for a catcher.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 05:13 PM) What contenders need a 3B? Doesn't really seem like there is much of a market based on the contract Turner got. Giants Trade him for Trevor Brown. Mets could use him too. Astros need a 1B, DH - would have fit seamlessly had we snagged Bergman.

The Sox have 3 other prominent players to trade and you don't hear a thing about them.

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:52 PM) I like IF and CF prospects the most. I'd want a top fielder and top pitching prospect from each. So here is how I would rank them. 1. Pirates - Meadows, Newman, Keller, Diaz 2. Rockies - Rodgers, Hoffman, Tapia, Murphy 3. Dodgers - Bellinger, Verdugo, Barnes, Alvarez/DeLeon 4. Yankees - Torres, Rutherford, Sheffield, Andujar 5. Astros - Martes, Tucker, Perez, Stubbs The Astros package is the weakest, but I'd say it's the only one they could possibly get...maybe the Dodgers is achievable (if they wanted Q, but I haven't seen anything that they do). I don't see teams trading their #1 prospect, which is included in Pirates, Rockies and Yankees proposals.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) True or false: he who signs Encarnacion, trades for Q False And if it turns out to be true, it will be via 3-way deal.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 12:22 PM) There is zero chance the White Sox have too much pitching, but they do need to get at least some position players. Pitchers do have a higher bust rate. 2 or 3 years from now, if you need to fill 4 or 5 staring position players spots, you are going to be having some problems. Like exactly where they are now IF 2 pitchers turn out to be the equivalent of Q and Sale.They can always move pitchers later, but that involves more steps, more risk. Another risk with more young AA/AAA starters is that it will create a bit of a logjam, which might increase the chances that the Sox don't abide the proper timing in moving the pitchers into the Majors, if not actually rush one or two up. The Sox natural instincts are to rush prospects as it is.

I've always thought the Pirates made sense. Before the rebuild became official, I was afraid of a Cutch-Q trade (considering Williams, and by association, Hahn, seem to look at statistics from at least 2 years prior, when they make trades for veteran players). They have the prospects. And they want to contend. The Pirates want to dump players before their contract runs out; they will look to dump Cole next year, and Q is the perfect replacement. The Pirates also draft well, so they are probably reasonably confident in their ability to regenerate more prospects. And unless they sell-off goes perfectly, which it won't, the Sox will have to create some of their own elite prospects to build this thing back up. That big question, coupled with their ongoing inability to evaluate veterans (which they will have to do when building back up) is the big risk in this Sox rebuild. Hold firm with the price; there is competition now. The asking price to Astros wasn't overly high anyway, despite the baseball media spin.

All that signing this guy will do is crowd out the necessary and important auditions of younger players. Some of these young players will be part of the next good Sox team and some won't. It's time to find out about the Coats, et al.

Yanks have a position player-heavy farm, so that looks promising.

Scapegoats and saviors; scapegoats and heroes. That’s what it’s all about. That’s what the world is all about. Get solid and you won’t have scapegoats and won’t feel the need to force-feed heroes, most of whom are faux-heroes anyway. The one to look to flip is Gonzalez; if he repeats last year, moving him along won't be a problem.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 04:12 PM) I'll be VERY disappointed if we don't have THE best farm in baseball, after getting 5-6more Top 100 talents and a few more lottery tickets. They measure the farm by going at least 20 deep. The Sox drafting has been consistently below par for years, although some argue it's been better recently and perhaps it has been (last year's draft may turn out a lot better than usual, but the drafting still displayed a lot of Hahn/Williams ongoing bad habits). They also short-shrift the international market and were more than willing to throw in their top international prospect when the Padres were just looking to salary dump James Shields. That kind of nonsense has to be corrected or the Sox will rebuild for 10 years. But or now, a top 8 or so system I'd say and the top 10 is in the top 3 or 4.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 10:49 AM) His point is well taken, as it was my own, when we were relying on bargain basement guys to play SERIOUS roles on a competitive team. But Fowler actually was a $13 mill contract, was clearly going back to cubs, and cost a 1st round pick. Desmond also cost a 1st round pick. But 1 year contracts; those lost picks were recouped one year later. And the Sox would have lost a 2nd round pick (or maybe the comp round pick -forget how it works), but recouped a comp round pick a year later. I will admit that this year Hahn has an excuse to do a contract or 2 for a bad player and, on its own, it doesn't really matter; however it hasn't been restricted to tear down years; that's his modus opeandi in "go for it" years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 12:57 PM) Cespedes cost around $30 million for that season. The mess of one years signings cost the Sox no where near that much. Rick Hahn spent $17.5 million on the following: Morneau, Avila, Navarro, Jackson, Latos, Rollins. Let's add $5 mill for Shields and his ERA near 7 and we get $22.5 million. Desmond and Fowler each signed for $8 million. The Sox can afford it, but $6 million seems way excessive for a pitcher with the production of Holland; and his peripherals were bad. And it is concerning for the future, as such contracts are routine out of Hahn and used in a way to "go for it". Yikes!

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 08:10 AM) This is what Keith Law said: Nick: If you were Lunhow, would you trade Musgrove + Martes + Tucker for Quintana, and why or why not? I go back and forth as an Astros fan but think I’d be happy with him pulling the trigger. Klaw: If I’m Luhnow I do it. If I’m Hahn I’m not even countering because it’s so low. FWIW, I don’t know that that was ever discussed by the clubs. Per Law's midseason rankings from last year, Tucker was #32 and the other 2 guys weren't present. Based on those rankings, it is a light offer.