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Using this as a "Should we claim them?" thread, should the Sox claim some Gage Workman? Looks like he was pretty blah as a prospect, until last year in AA.

Probably sound advice or any prospect: use 'em or move 'em. And if Teel and Quero are both ML Quality catchers each of whom can hit, they probably should move one (unless they can figure out a way for both to play every day and not just DH) - guys like that are so rare that they should be able to get 2 good players for 1. This happened to the Orioles- held onto prospects too long; looked like they may be getting stale, so used 2 of them on the mediocrity named Trevor Rogers. (would have been a nice return for Fedde, as things look now).

Chad Bradford, the steal of the century... a whole 10 career WAR. How could Williams let that fine middle reliever go for a catching prospect. A heist it was, as Olivo only had 8 career WAR. I like analytics, and KW made some goofy moves, but the harangue over Chad Bradford in that book along with the beat-down of KW because of that trade, was ridiculous.

Dalquist is interesting. Just looking at stats, pretty awful his first few years. 2023 in A+ was particularly poor: 62 IP, spent time of the "development list", and averaged over 7BBs/9 and a 7+ERA. He made discernable improvement in 2024 (despite moving up a level) and more improvement so far in 2025. In between, though, he was beaten up pretty good in 2024 AFL. Walks, which have been the bane of his career, are way down in 2025; as are the Ks. Is it all good fortune or has he turned a corner?

This s%*# gets frustrating.

It would also be nice to get 15-20 HRs out of him.

The Twins aren't a good team, so how about the Sox stop getting slapped around and win the series.

The Sox gave up an interesting lottery ticket for him, so the only reason to do this is to hold him for a few months and turn him into 3 lottery tickets or 1 or 2 prospects with upside who are closer than the DSL. Kind of an arbitrage or what the pinhookers do with yearlings. I guess someone like Bergolla would be satisfactory (although if he doesn't show any power, his ceiling is backup infielder).

looks like he suffered the fate of 1/2 our 2021 team: some injury, then fell off a cliff.

Dalbec has played SS before.....let him shine.

Man that would be something if Elko turns into a major leaguer. Hope for a hot 2 months from Vaughn, move him along for a "piece" or 2 deep in the minors, and slide Elko in.

I'm not pining for Moniak, but I don't see much harm in increasing the churn on some of these org guys that the Sox have in high numbers in Chicago and Charlotte.

How is the swing, though? That's the issue, as you said. On another matter, I realize Charlotte is probably the best market in the minors, but I wish the Sox would get out of there. The pitching sucks; hitting numbers are mostly meaningless. Should have stayed in Nashville.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

This series was an utter disgrace.

Fulmer had a rushed, jerky delivery. It was an obvious even to an amateur watcher like me. He also induced a lot of bad chase in college that wasn't going to happen against pro hitters. It wouldn't surprise me though if Smith was a JR pick. Our insiders/gurus posted many times pre-draft that they'd be surprised if the Sox took a pitcher; and yet, they did. The guys ranked 12-15 on Law's list look interesting to me - get one on an underslot.

Clevinger's owner-buddy must have sold his shares to the Ishbias. I expected Clevinger to do well in the pen. That performance was certainly below expectations.

And of course the Dodgers know this and will try to get a nice bargain. They'll do better than a 0-WAR offer, probably a 1-2 WAR offer: Outman and a decent prospect. I doubt that prospect is "frontline" at this point.

And he didn't go past 5 or 6 innings very often in college. In 2023 they draft low-ceiling Gonzalez and in 2024 they pass on high ceiling Cags. Well, I think the way they draft is weird and sort of arrogant (and they don't have the results to support arrogance).

Matt Thornton for Borchard. He spit the bit on the major trades. But none of the bad trades were devastating (in contrast to those of his successor). The Sox were good for most of the period 1990-2010. Not coincidentally, their farm system was consistently good until the end of that period....and not from the fruits of dispersal trades, but from their own drafting, international signings and development.

Technically, the last was Marcus Semien in 2024 (and a few other years). And before Semien and Anderson was Chris Young in 2010.

How is this depressing? It's progress. Yes, the Ishbia's first priority is having a spot to park some money. But I doubt that they put up with a dog-and-pony show for too long. And at some point, JR's sons may have "that talk" with their aging father. And as somebody said above, you can print money if you do this right.

Astros were so good at finding these players that they drummed-out a young JD Martinez during the rebuild and it didn't matter. I agree that the Sox have been way light on finding diamond-in-the rough types. Hahn actually found a couple of these guys right before he decided to rebuild; I guess he found some c. 2020 but then forgot about them. All relievers. Hahn barely used Rule V at all during the rebuild.. He got virtually nothing from secondary trades in the rebuild or from secondary pieced in major trades. Nothing on the waiver wire. Getz may have found 2 keepers in Rule 5. So far, nothing in secondary trades or as secondary pieces in major trades -to be fair, many secondary pieces have been low minors guys. He doesn't give himself much of a chance on the waiver wire- he just picks guys who don't have a real hit-tool, most of whom are 30+ anyway.

I agree . And that's how I saw it last year; although the 3 much-discussed players (Caglianone, Wetherholt, Griffin) were there when the Sox picked, they still went pitcher. I don't know if they are better at drafting pitching than hitting, but under Shirley they have certainly used far more top-of-the-draft resources on pitching than hitting.

I just wonder how much of this evaluating/drafting, particularly on the position player side, is as much luck as skill. Last year, the consensus was "worst upper end draft class in a decade." Well Cam Smith, drafted #14, is already in the majors and playing well. And I read somewhere that they think Nick Kurtz, drafted #4 and paid substantially below slot, now looks like the next Jim Thome. Kristian Campbell looks like a great young middle-infielder, but he was the 27th SS drafted in 2023, and the 3rd by the RedSox.