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The Law take was that the nats foolishly messed with Giolito's mechanics; Lopez is a high end reliever; and Dunning has light mileage on his arm, has 3 pitches, and could start in the chicago by September.

Reed is falling in value; I know a lot of people here like him,but his 1/4 season really wasn't good. I might go for more volume here, assuming no Bregman. Astros have a lot of really good, but not elite, prospects, particularly position players.

Now that was a fleecing. All hail Hahn!

QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:37 PM) De Leon+Bellinger+Lux+Puig+ 2 Top 15 From System Prospects=Eaton+Frazier+Robertson. Is that enough? Yes, but Sox don't need Puig.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 05:31 PM) I imagine that the Sox will ultimately end up using Moncada where he's needed, and not necessarily where his value is maximized. If the Sox don't re-sign Frazier and don't get a 3B from elsewhere, there's a good chance that Moncada could move to 3B. If the Sox fill the long-term need at 3B but can't fill CF, he could move to CF. If the alternatives are Saladino/Lawrie, then play Moncada where he's best suited. Saladino plays both positions well and you'll have the same offensive liability either way.

I'm good with moving Eaton The only one I hope they hold onto is Q - and only for a year - just to stabilize the staff. The Cards are always throwing Bader out there (along with Wong and Adams of course). I assume Bader's a ranked prospect, but he had a rough AAA.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:03 PM) BS. If Sale helps them win the WS, it was clearly worth it for them, but it would not mean the White Sox lost at all even if Moncada doesn't turn into Trout, which is unlikely. Agree, except I don't think it's unlikely that Moncada doesn't turn into Trout.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:52 AM) I'd be really surprised if the Rox would look at a proposal of Hoffman for Abreu as anything but lunacy. i don't see why, on a value basis. That said, Rox need their pitching; go after their position prospects.

QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 05:41 PM) QUIT TURNER! Not going to realistically happen. But Quintana to Nats for Giol/Robles...maybe That was their Sale offer; won't make it for Quintana.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 07:58 AM) Even while the Astros shop for an ace, they're also dangling two of their current starters, Collin McHugh & Mike... https://t.co/ZVKrMnjDl7 https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/805772632746430468 Even while the Astros shop for an ace, they're also dangling two of their current starters, Collin McHugh & Mike Fiers, to create roster and payroll flexibility. Offering McHugh and Fliers isn't trying very hard. Neither one of those would land a top 100 prospect and a rebuilder obviously has no interest in either.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 06:38 PM) I know it's all smoke screens until something actually happens, but if all these teams aren't willing to give up what it's going to take for Sale, why not just pivot and spend some money for f***ing once? You're really telling me this team couldn't compete if they signed EE and Castillo and traded for a CF? I just hope Hahn is smart enough to not get caught up s***s creek without a paddle again thinking the market will come to him. No DH, CF or C, 2 key up the middle positions.A rotation that is really 3 deep and if you stretch it to 5 with a rabbit's foot, there is no one behind them. The pen is 2 deep but yes they could rush Burdi. Mediocre at 2nd and LFThey currently have one of the worst farms in the majors and buying might put "the" in front of it. In one year the LF and 3b are gone. And there is no bench bat and no depth. You can't buy a contender with those holes. If they can't trade Sale, trade the others, which they should be working on anyway.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 05:02 PM) Some good Hahn quotes on Twitter about the current approach. Would post them if I wasn't at work. Sure sounds like a rebuild. It certainly did. But based on his words, there are a lot of other guys he can move...hard to believe he can't get a fair price on any of them.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 05:13 PM) Meh. If you can't get what you want for Sale, may as well try to win while you got him. I am not suggesting we go out and sign EE and Wieters, but Wellington Castillo and Carlos Gomez would work if we can't get a marquee return for Sale. That said, would be curious to hear Hahn's interview today. Will have to wait until I get home as I can't get on twitter at work. True. But then again, if they can't trade Sale now, with the FA market so devoid of pitching, when are they going to be able to trade him? At some point, Hahn needs to do his job and actually produce.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 05:00 PM) The Art of Negotiation, a novel by Rick Hahn We'll see about that. I'll buy the book IF he makes a deal. In the meantime, the Sox should be selling a bunch of other guys.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:29 PM) Yeah I feel bad for them though. Tough spot. They are gonna be crushed when it's Conforto who gets traded for a relief pitcher. I've got just the relief pitcher the Mets need in mind...

They could do a deal with the Nats for Sale without Turner that would be fair.

On a side note, per my review of Twitter, Mets fans have surpassed Cardinal fans as the most prolific purveyors giving up aging spare parts for in their prime major league players. Who could say no to Jay Bruce and Granderson for Eaton and Robertson?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Interesting. The Red Sox were out before. Now back in. Once one team caves, expect others to follow. Sale is one of the better established trade pieces of all time if you think about it. Yes, if you consider 3 years left on deal.

I see that Olney wrote an article this morning that would seem to have the effect of devaluing Sale, if articles written by national sportswriters have such effect.

Just looking at the Nats' lineup, it seems that they really need Turner. The Astros, in contrast, seem that they could cover Bergman's spot with other players. Regardless, there aren't many "can't miss" prospects (basically Turner, Swanson, Bregman and I guess Benintendi belongs in that category). If Hahn has to move off one of those, which I suspect he will, I really hope he is willing to take more prospects (elite ones) rather than taking more established major leaguers (Springer, Odor) so that this org can be properly rebuilt.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 07:33 PM) It's because our front office is too scared to risk their career on anything other than a sure thing. They keep their jobs through more mediocre seasons unless they trade fan favorite Sale and make poor prospect evaluations and get a bunch of busts back. That seems to be the size of it. They keep their jobs with mediocre seasons, why threaten them with a risky rebuild unless it involves "sure things". Aggravating considering Hahn and co are a lot better at evaluating minor league talent than major league talent.

The contender that "needs" Sale the most is the Astros. Ok by me if Sox move off of Bregman, IF Astros have 2 elite prospects; they've got the depth to fill in the rest of the trade, but they may be light on elite. Second I suppose is the Redsox. They've seemed like the easiest to concoct a deal, at least on paper. The Nationals have a strong staff; that coupled with Rizzo as GM and I don't see them ever offering enough. I can't see the Cardinals; not sure they have any elite prospect; all trade proposals I've see are centered around their young decliners and spare parts.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 3, 2016 -> 03:30 AM) Three top 40 prospects, including the #1 SP and #3 OF? That's the type of deal Hahn needs to take and run. Indeed he would. But I don't think Rizzo would do that for Eaton or McCutchen. Frankly I don't think Rizzo would do it for Sale. Peddling Eaton over Abreu surprises me. They must just like Abreu or maybe they think they can really can get a 6 WAR return for Eaton. I'm good with a handful of high ceiling A ballers to replace a, say, 50-100 prospect. I look at Hahn's record and the best part of the Peavy trade were the A ballers. He also dumped Beckham for a legitimate A ball prospect (whom he subsequently squandered for a AAAA reliever).

A lot of teams are going to be after Castillo. He may have gotten a favor being non-tendered.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:36 PM) What's new? Go to every roster and there were players that had years, add up their salary and viola! there's your list. Hindsight is 20/20. Some of those players were thought to be good gambles at that point to complement the core that we had. No - contenders do not have 7 players who are shots in the dark plus mediocre/bad starters like Garcia, Lawrie, Danks and 1/2 the bullpen (petricka et al). The only players on that list who could possibly be considered good gambles were Jackson, Albers and Avila. The rest were aging and in rapid decline, except for Turner who has never been anything except terrible. They won a good gamble on a signing: Gonzalez. Of course, they also cut Junior Guerra. If they are rebuilding, I don't really care what riff raff they sign as placeholders.