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QUOTE (Carpe Diem @ Nov 19, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) Adam Eaton would get more in a trade than Chris Sale. Fact. 5 years $38 million for a 6 WAR player? And you are talking about Vlad Jr. wowowowowowow These discussions are beyond silly, not to mention it is extremely frightening there are so many ignorant White Sox fans. Eaton would have a 3-4 WAR value on the trade market. If he threw up that 6 WAR playing CF and did it for successive years then he would have closer to 6 WAR market value.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 10:15 AM) Not sure why Toronto would empty their already mediocre system for a guy like Eaton when they could just sign Fowler and give up 1 pick. Eaton is a better player and a lot cheaper salary-wise.

They have a lot of the same type of these AAA/AAAA relievers on the 40 man. Seems they could have squeezed in Delmonico. Purke, Blake Smith Soto....all LH AAA relievers kind of like Lamb. What about Avi? Isn't he hitting arb? sox keeping him around? I guess they just as soon do so if they rebuild.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 10:16 AM) Yes, but would you really care? The chances of these guys being impact players is beyond small. They won't get you anything in a trade, and are easy to replace with something similar, especially if they are rebuilding. A team that spent $3 million on Bonifacio should make the effort to protect a utility infielder.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 08:06 AM) Tomorrow (Friday) is the deadline for teams to add players to their 40-man rosters in order to protect them from the Rule 5 Draft. Here's a look at who is currently exposed that may need protection, and who is already on-roster that could go. What the Sox do Friday could perhaps be an indicator of direction for the offseason. Thanks for the analysis. For sure Delmonico, May and Engel need to be protected. QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 12:56 PM) Pisses me off that we traded that kid for Tommy Kahnle He was a legit, although low minors, pitching prospect. Traded him for another cooper fix 'em project.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 07:57 AM) please. which way is the wind blowing today Superior GM? (here comes the response when he calls me and everyone else hahn supporters and blah blah hero worshipping) Everyone has an opinion, bothersome to you as it appears to be. As for wind blowing, I've been consistent- Sox need young talent. There are a lot of ways to get there. if that is now Hahn's approach, I think he'll do a decent job if it.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 07:45 AM) Aren't you the one that was advocating selling everyone including the hero Adam Eaton months ago? Nope. I advocated trading Eaton last winter to fill 2 holes. That's still a possible approach. I've never favored the Hahn proven veteran approach, however. So if the choice is Hahn ball or tear down I would favor complete tear down, because Hahn ball is a failure. Bregman is my favorite of all of these top prospect already in the majors possible, although unlikely, targets.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 07:24 AM) Sooo assuming Springer and Reddick hold down the corners and McCann and Gattis share DH and Gurriel being paid to likely play third with other options able to play 1B, where does Bregman fit? They should really step on the necks of the AL West and trade for Sale. I doubt it. But it sure would be nice. If the Sox could score Bergman, I'd move Frazier and hold there. Push Melky and Robertson and Jones in July. But I'm an advocate of the partial tear down.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 06:52 AM) This a joke? Obviously - the first part anyway.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 05:01 PM) Hero worshipping. He's elite. Pricey for a platoon hitter but the Astros are almost there.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 09:43 PM) How is everyone seeing "Swanson and Maitan should be starting points" and somehow ignoring Dansby Swanson's name? He's a GREAT starting point in his own right. So why not take a generational talent along with him, even if he's 4 or 5 years away? You don't want the Braves top prospect because he's too young? The fact that he's so young and thought of so highly should tell you enough. I wouldn't want Maitan is the ONLY centerpiece of the deal, but you're still getting Dansby friggin Swanson. Sounds good to me. I haven't seen any realistic proposals with 2 Swansons, which seems to be the objection here.

QUOTE (QuickJones81 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 08:23 PM) Sorry, I know it's not a popular opinion, but I'm just not a fan of Inciarte. I think he is one of those guys that the metrics love but just isn't actually worth what the imperfect metrics say. If we're dealing with Atlanta I want Swanson, Maitan, and some pitching. Not really interested in Inciarte. He's not a good hitter. He's a throw in like a Swithart on the RedSox side.

This should be Hahn's show anyway. Don't need williams' toolsy players

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 06:10 PM) George Ofman16 mins · TwitterHearing Whitesox attempt to trade David Robertson not going very well. Plenty of time, though. No kidding - he's injured and the time to trade relievers is in July....just hold him and, dare I suggest, actually participate in the July trade season this time instead of living in dreamland.

Inciarte cannot be a key piece of a Sale trade.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 07:11 PM) Fine with me. Then trade Q to Boston. I'd hold off on that; let's see what the sox can do with this bunch. Move Q later, if necessary. And if you move him, it's a full rebuild, so move Eaton.

I'd hold Frazier til July. I'd move Robertson and maybe Melky but I might hold them too. Sox pen has a chance to be good. If Burdi is ready plus Fulmer they would have 3 plus arms with Jones. That's a major improvement. A good Sale trade that adds 2 young starting position players (plus prospects) and get a Lf out there who can play some D and the Sox are a better team than last year, imo. That Redsox trade for Frazier looks like spare parts. Owens is nothing anymore. Swithart may be okay but not sure about his D.

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 12, 2016 -> 10:16 PM) Lawrie is the type of player that a rebuilding team signs to see if he can pick up value and be traded. Seems weird to cut him unless there's something about his injuries that suggests the few million he'll earn will certainly be squandered Yes he is. What has always concerned my about rebuild is that JR could get nice and comfortable in the perpetual rebuild zone with salaries about 2/3 or less of what we have now. And I say this as one who believes that the Sox salary has been competitive enough to win. Yes the Sox seem to not get full value for a lot of players- plenty of giveaways. But that is a function of a front office that is not particularly adept at trade negotiation and really doesn't understand value.

There is no doubt that they could be in a great position to sell high. But selling vets high isn't the usual Hahn/Williams modus operandi....nor are they especially adept at executing that.

QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ Nov 6, 2016 -> 08:47 PM) They need an actual bat or multiple bats instead of just stockpiling arms. The Sox got smoked by their division last year and lost too many one run games. The Northsiders seem to win with home runs, why can't the Sox try that again? Keep drafting some hitters instead of pitchers, pitchers can be bought later when your team can actually contend. I just hope the Sox deal someone or some players to get some bats so there will actually be some offense and some young players doing something (like Anderson) instead of seeing the same old s***. The northsiders bought 1 pitcher- Lester. 2 if you count Hammels, who was bought, sold the bought. 3 if you count Chapman who was rented for a high price. If stockpiling pitching is what the Sox have been doing, on the whole, they've done a lousy job of it, with a thin pen and rotation. Now it's looking better in the minors recently, but so is the hitting. The Cubs drafted hitters, but they got 2 top starters from draft and a clever trade where they dumped a proven starter. Cubs also play superior defense, something not seen on the southside in ages. They hit home runs but aren't loaded with the slugger types that Williams and Hahn like. Top talent is not available very often and (and Frazier/Melky is not top talent).

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 6, 2016 -> 06:33 PM) I think Hahn has actually tipped his hand a few times already indicating some sort of a rebuild. Here are my off-season plans in order of likelihood. 1. Modified Rebuild. Trade Sale, Robertson, and Melky for sure. Dangle Frazier as well. Sign some free agents to 1 year deals that could be spun later. That's my vote. Don't think they can trade Robertson coming off of injury, though. A risk of a total rebuild is that JR could get comfortable in that rebuild status.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 07:36 PM) I remember when Kenny was pretty transparent about his goals for our team. 2 years ago Williams said that Sox fans "can dream again." He and Hahn thought they put contending teams on the field the last 2 years. Those 2 don't know what constitutes a good baseball team or organization.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 11:16 AM) The entire front office should be. They did a half-assed job at a rebuild while losing percentage of the fanbase year over year. Amen

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 06:35 PM) Did you just compare AJ Pollock to James Shields and then randomly included Petricka's name in there? I don't understand your comment at all. Dumping 3 young pitchers when bad pitchers like Shields and Petricka are on the staff is the kind of move that put the Sox in this mess. My comment is that it makes no sense to trade all of those young players for 2 years of Pollock. Build. Develop. Appropriately scout and evaluate. Use analytics (With all of those gaudy degrees, surely Hahn knows what those are). Take advantage of opportunities. Make clever deals. You can't force it for one player people drool over because he was good 2 years ago. Many teams can add 3 veterans and, on paper it looks like they could contend. it doesn't work. Teams need youth and depth, particularly in pitching. The Sox have none, although the really young pitching is looking good. Stockpile it, don't trade it.

Why not?