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I'd like to see what the Sox scouting reports said re his 10 run debacle in Seattle. I mean Rick Hahn did have his scouts actually watching him pitch, didn't he? Another Hahn effort that sets the organization back....and he overpaid, as always, even if Shields pitched okay. JR has eaten the following Rick Hahn contracts: Latos, Keppinger, Rollins, Bonifacio and now it will have to be Shields. He also at KW's Danks contract. Hard to criticize JR. But it's also hard to see how he doesn't address the mess his VP and GM have created.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 12:24 PM) Now see THIS would be a post to jump down someone's throat for, not mine. If Timmy has Alexei's career, but a few years longer of prime because of age, I would consider Anderson wildly successful. He actually has a lot of developing to do before I would feel comfortable projecting him as good as Alexei was....both offensively and defensively. Alexei was no worse than a top 6/7 SS in all of baseball from '08-'14. We should all be crossing our fingers Anderson turns into Ramirez actually. Yea, I fail to properly venerate Alexei Ramirez. Yea yea. Heck half this board wanted him back this season for $10 million. Alexei was not good on offense. He made one all star team. I want Sox top prospects to be able to hit...and not just hit decently "for a shortstop." If they don't, I am disappointed. Players aren't picked high in the first round with the expectation that they will have a .307 OBP, like Alexei has.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 6, 2016 -> 12:32 PM) PiratesVerified account ‏@Pirates 57m57 minutes ago The #Pirates today traded RHP Arquimedes Caminero to the #Mariners for a player to be named later. How did Caminero get through waivers? Tommy Stokke ‏@StokkeTommy 10m10 minutes ago Source: #Marlins acquire #Braves Hunter Cervenka. 51 retweets 18 likes Cervenka's a decent reliever as well. Another scrapheap pickup by the Braves they turned into younger prospects. I wish one of these Sox back end relievers would straighten up for weeks so that he could be moved.

He probably is a ceiling backup, and if Narvaez becomes a legitimate backup catcher, that would be pretty good. If the Sox are hiding him, I'm not sure who from, except perhaps from themselves. Let teams get the read on him and the Sox will find out what they have. Still don't see a downside to giving him the most pt the rest of the way. The key to a backup catcher, anyway, is the ability to handle the position defensively.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 09:39 AM) Carlos Gomez is a year removed from being an elite player. I actually think he'd be a great move on a one year deal with an option. Two years removed. And a stark removal it has been. .600 OPS this season. In 10 major league seasons, he's had 2 very good years (none elite) and 1 okay year. The other 7 he's done nothing. He's the kind of guy to pickup in a stopgap year while rebuilding. If he has a good season, sell him in July. And just to get Castro out of the way, he's had 1 good year in 6.

The Sox should have a lot of hope for him. I don't know how you fix the plate discipline issues though...no real reason to throw him a strike. Maybe he can hit bad pitches like Alexei and be like Alexei, although that would be disappointing.

Carlos Gomez is worse than Shuck. Castro hits like Flowers. The same kind of players we've had here ad nauseum. I guess that's the point...the fix is no fix. Oh the Sox could give up a draft choice for Fowler (we'll show those cubbies!), make a trade for a mediocre starter and catcher. the same kind of moves that look reasonable on paper and make people think that the Sox have a chance. And it will have the same results...significantly hurt the organization, similar to Rick Hahn's moves over the last 2+ years.

Nice game for Rodon...much needed and deserved.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 6, 2016 -> 09:54 AM) Mentioned guys like: Semien, Trayce, Micah, Phegley who aren't playing for them but allowed them to acquire guys that "could help" them from other organizations LOL Hahn raves about the development of guys he dumped for average veterans on short term contracts. You can't make this stuff up. Well, he's right...the development isn't as bad as reputed. But his use of assets has been clownish. And Hahn is completely oblivious to reality.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 01:19 PM) The fact is, if you are going to totally rebuild and you are trading pillars of a core, you have to have the utmost confidence in the people tearing it down. If not, you are only going to make a bad situation worse, and worse for a long time. You're right. But I would just point out that there really are only 2 pillars: Q and Sale. Abreu, Jones and Eaton are part of a decent core, but that's where it ends. As far as moving out guys, Hahn missed his window, although he may have some chance in August. But aside from Eaton, Jones, Q, Sale, the rest of the roster would have received higher prices in July and August than it will in December. Because they players just aren't very good (as per the results).

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 5, 2016 -> 10:58 PM) Isn't this more of Cooper's responsibility? He may have outlived his effectiveness. One would think And he, no doubt, had input into the Kahnle acquisition. Clean slate is needed.

Frazier. Elite bat. Navarro - swings at a crappy pitch.

They may be able to work out waiver deals for Melky and Robertson. Shields no chance - he'll sail through and it won't matter. I have much more confidence in Aranaudo pitching well next year than Shields.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 3, 2016 -> 08:26 AM) That's why I'm surprised they didn't trade him. I'm sure they tried. They'll try again in waivers and see if someone will just grab him. He's owed $30 million. If that doesn't work (and it likely won't), they'll do a giveaway and eat 2/3 of the contract.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 10:19 PM) Why is Fulmer not starting at Charlotte again? Because he needs the tutelage of the great Don Cooper who proves day after day how effective he is with young pitchers.

Big games for Shields. If he can shut down Detroit, someone might take him off the Sox hands. Melky might clear waivers.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 10:02 AM) Similar posts could have been made back in 1988 and 1998. I'd argue that the Sox are in a better situation now than they were in those years. In terms of organizational strength (personnel), the Sox are much weaker now than in 1998; 1988 may have been weaker, but that was in the process of changing, with successive drafts of Thomas, Ventura, McDowell and Fernandez et al, coupled with several clever trades, the type of which Williams/Hahn were unable to accomplish (and really aren't trying to accomplish).

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) Wonder if a Robertson/Puig swap would make sense for both teams? Makes taking the risk with Puig's contract easier, and the Dodgers could use Robertson. No idea if either would clear waivers though. Shields will get through. Maybe Melky. Robertson likely wouldn't. hasn't puig been hurt a lot, which might explain his struggles?

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 05:26 PM) I know this is too good to be true. But is there any chance JR told KW and Hahn to stand pat because he plans on finally firing Hahn and KW at seasons end? Perhaps he wants his next GM to be in charge of the rebuild? I heard a comment a week or so ago on the MLB radio channel that Williams' and Hahn's contracts are up after this year. It was just made in passing, so I have no idea whether it is accurate or not.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 04:20 PM) Shields was taken apart from an advanced stat perspective recently and the whole league read it. Plus he brings the double edged sword of the opt out. If he's awful you may owe him for two years. If he's great, you lose all control of him. There is no possible scenario that Shields could be great enough to opt out from $22 million. He's just not a good pitcher. A salary dump would be win for the Sox at this point (mitigating some of the sunk cost).

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:16 PM) Disappointed and surprised nothing happened, but considering the weak free agent market, I'm willing to be patient to see what happens by mid December. That's what scares me- that they might buy into that market rather than sell.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:06 PM) I don't understand the bafflement. I get that you guys think they should blow it up, but why are you shocked that they aren't? They're a .500 team with all of their core players controlled next year. They just decided to keep trying to build and win. I'm not saying it's the RIGHT decision, but it's not a confusing one either. Not really surprised they did nothing. Just baffled how a group of professionals could actually believe that a core that has failed miserably for 2 years in a row, when going for it (not in rebuilding) mode, will win next year. I suspect it's job protection and wishcasting, more than real belief, and that they will blame this year on a)Injuries and b)Ventura - tacitly by making a change.

Dunt gets thread of the month award for his prescience about White Sox front office. They can't even more Robertson. And frankly, I really doubt that they seriously tried to move the riff-raff.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:49 PM) Phil Rogers ‏@philgrogers 12s13 seconds ago @whitesox decision to deal Shields hinges on if he'll exercise opt-out after season. Dealt good piece (SS Fernando Tatis Jr.) to get him. What does this mean exactly? They want him to or don't want him to? There's a 99.9% chance he won't exercise (the .1% is in case he pulls a Laroche and just quits). And, yes, they did deal a good piece for a declining pitcher, but that's a sunk cost. My question is will JR kick back the $20 mill he received from San Diego; because no one wants Shields at full salary.

QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:10 PM) It's probably Shields as the main piece. It's probably going to happen now that they have Reddick, just My hunch. That would be a steal. I wonder if a holdup in moving Shields is that JR doesn't want to kick back the 20MM that the Padres sent his way.