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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:42 PM) I don't think those situations are as comparable as you outlined them to be. Markets were drastically different.. It's hard for me to believe that there was much of a market for Shields, an aging pitcher who was getting tatooed. But let's assume there was. Shouldn't Hahn be able to move him now, now that he is pitching much better and the market is tight? And if Hahn did strike a good deal the first time, now that he's pitching well, not only should he move him, but for more than he paid.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 08:05 PM) Duke is just another body. He's nothing special. The outfielder we got obviously is a bust to this date or St. Louis wouldn't have traded him. This will probably be his final chance to be a starter in the bigs. While he doesn't look like anything special and won't play to the ceiling of what you hope (but usually don't get) from a #2 pick, if you read the Cardinal stuff, they say he was blocked by better prospects. He looks like he could help this team. Now if Ventura is going to sit him on the bench, then send him to Charlotte work for a month and let the coaches evaluate what he can do.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 09:36 PM) His last 3 drafts have been better than pretty much any draft under Kenny Williams from like 2003-2009 though. Indeed. And on the plus side, when looking for prospects, his hit rate is pretty good, especially as he never traded for any elite prospects (and never paid an elite price). He was 1/3 with Avi, Eaton and Davidson (although Davidson appeared to be turning the corner). But he was 2/3 with the A Ball prospects in the Peavy trade (Wendelkin threw well today for Oakland). He got a nice prospect for Beckham if you can believe it (but then squandered him when trading for someone more proven - Kahnle). This is pretty good return for non-elite prospect fishing. Trading up is where he's gone awry, imo. I hope we break this down, but I am glad he's holding out for 5 top prospects+ for Sale; he can give up on his ML player demand, but not the elite prospect demand.

Shields is having a bad year. Hahn trades 2 prospects for him and gets the money cut by 50%. Upton is having a very good year; Jays trade 1 prospect (similar to Tatis, if that) and get the money cut by 2/3. That is just one example that makes me wonder about the negotiation skill of this front office. Yes, you can come up with reasons (one is a pitcher). But there are other examples.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 06:13 PM) I'd hope so. I guess it's better than KW, who seemed to just keep on piling prospects into deals to get them done. hahn's done some piling on too. And KW had one season where he won fewer than 79, so at least his teams were decent when piling them on. It's going to be hard for teams to pull the trigger on Sale or Q. There's a lot of risk in giving up 2 top 20s, 2 more top 100s and then some. A lot of posters have said wait until offseason, and they may be right as the teams can throw in some vets in lieu of prospects. Not my taste, obviously.

Okay - the Mariners got something for (and got rid of) Wade Miley. No reason we can't move Shields.

No, there isn't. But be on the alert for the injuries excuse.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 03:54 PM) Personally I think your plan of trading Eaton and starting Saladino and Sanchez would have worked wonders Of course that wasn't my plan...But that would have been better than this. Your hero has fielded a bad team when going for it and hasn't improved the org. a bit.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 03:49 PM) Jesus, make 29 phone calls trying to move Melky Cabrera. Oh no Can't disrupt the core. We have our CF, just trade 4 prospects for Jason Castro in the offseason and we're set! Rick Hahn's liked him way back in 2012

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 03:35 PM) Well, they aren't as good of talent evaluators as we thought. They immediately thought this kid was Chris Sale and put him on the Chris Sale track. Problem is, Fulmer isn't close to the MLB ready prospect Sale was. Rick Hahn and Co. have done extreme little that suggests that they are good talent evaluators; but they have done much that suggests they aren't. The team is bad; the organization is bad under his leadership. Why was Sanchez batting there?

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 03:17 PM) I mean, it would be a big setback if they blew another high draft pick on a bust, rebuild or no. It's too early to tell, but he stunk at AA until he reverted to his old, violent mechanics, the ones that make him likely to be a reliever. Now he's a reliever and he still stinks. They gave up on developing the new delivery awfully quick.

This organization is just beyond belief. Rush em up Rush em up And to what end?

Omar's hit well in his limited appearances. How's his work catching, framing and all of that?

When there are no consequences for clown-play, clown-play will continue.

Rodon gave up 5 hits and 3 walks in his 3.2 Rehab innings.

QUOTE (Sox Fan In Husker Land @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 01:02 PM) If you aren't going to get a quality deal for Sale or Q now, there is no reason to move them. Deal them in the winter when you have more teams in the mix and an extremely weak free agent crop. Getting rid of Duke is a good start and signals they aren't competing next year. So start dumping Jackson, Avila, Navarro, & Morneau for anything you can get now. Dump anyone of Frazier, Gonzalez, Robertson, Shields, Lawrie, Melky, Abreu, & Garcia now if you get a nice return. If not try to deal them in the offseason as well, or in Avi's case do not offer arbitration. I hope you're right. More teams are in it in the winter, but not that many as rebulders won't trade for him. And the pressure and the premium are there in July. Supposedly the Sox are looking for players off of ML rosters, which suggests retooling , not rebuilding, and not a serious effort at that (contenders aren't going to trade their contributors). They could probably get a quality deal for sale now...just not with all that many ML ready guys. We'll see.

Dodgers looking at Archer today. They obviously want a top shelf pitcher. Work out a deal, please. Sox scouts are apparently at that game. Can't figure out why though. Keuchel getting rocked today already. Another team who could use a pitcher.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 12:18 PM) MLB ranked Tilson #5 behind Fulmer, Collins, Adams, Burdi, respectively. A 10-12 from the Cardinals is our #5. So much for this great organizational improvement some claim Hahn has performed.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) An FO with any gaul would do such a thing, but this is Kenny Williams and his puppet Rick Hahn. Who knows what could happen in the next 24 hours? Or Skill They should be pushing Melky out there along with Shields, Robertson, Q and Sale

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) I don't think one appearance is going to matter. Probably not. But 2 meltdowns in a week won't help, so why take the chance pitching him 2 days in a row. Game doesn't matter.

Hahn needs to tell Ventura not to pitch Robertson today.

QUOTE (ventura_abreu @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) I agree. I find it interesting that they have put Frazier at 1B today. There may be some dominoes about to unfold today. I'm guessing the Sox will make 2 more trades before the deadline. If anyone needed some time off, Abreu did.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:38 AM) As of last week they were Cubs & Indians prospects! I'll take them. The OF from the Indians, the SS from the Cubs, add Sanchez and one of the other Yankee top prospects (plus some minor stuff). Plenty of Bosox prospects have turned sour too.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) What is there to say? Looks like a 4th OF which for a normal organization wouldn't be too exciting. But somehow, we don't have one. having Shuck start 40 games in CF is a fireable offense in and of itself. Problem is that the Sox don't have a 3rd OF. Jackson was really a 4th OF... Yes this must be a prelude to a larger teardown for it to make much sense. Duke wasn't making that much money. had a high K rate.

Numbers look like a 4th outfielder. No power at all. I'll await the scouting reports and see what's up.