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So the rumor is that there is no trade talk. Outman's a AAAA player at this point. So it boils down to "front-line prospect." Nah, just stay away from the Dodgers.

I viewed Madrigal and Vaughn at the time as similar picks: high floor, low ceiling that should give the Sox 2 fundamentally sound position players for a team that was coming together . But Vaughn is just not fundamentally sound. His D is iffy. And on offense, aside from the lack of HRs (I never really expected him to be more than a 25 guy anyway), he just doesn't walk enough. He's at 6.5% and dropping. He should be at least 10%. And if he were, his other numbers would be better to.

The White Sox organization was loaded with young talent at that time (from 1990-2005 into 2010). KW was constantly making deals and his moves finally clicked for that one year. That talent base should have won a lot more divisions, if not titles, than it did. Getz has just got to get young talent into this organization...especially position players. It's tough when we've shown no ability at all to evaluate/draft amateur position players. I don't think we're as far away from being able to put together a competitive team as most probably do....but we're a long way away from having a real pipeline to sustain winning.

I understand that the Sox don't need either player now. I just don't think it does the player any good to leave them in the minors when they are ready for the majors. And not much good ever happens for the Sox in Charlotte, anyway. It's like a back hole. Anderson, arguably, was rushed. Presuming Vaughn hit well at the alternate site, I'd say, no, he wasn't rushed. He looks like a hitter - he just can't hit. Colas may have been rushed. Now he's been de-rushed. He may be the next OF candidate.

Trouble with Jones is that he can't hit minor league pitching. Call up Lipcius and play him in the OF. Or ride with Julks again - he held his own in the first half of 2024, then cratered. Yea, have no OF prospects is ridiculous. Who's the last good one we drafted? Rowand? Chris Young? Haven't drafted many good IFs or catchers either. That's why the Sox are in this mess.

Teams are pushing their prospects these days. When Quero, Teel and anyone else is ready, bring him up (with exceptions for the date where you get an extra year of control); nothing to be gained languishing in Charlotte. I can't remember the Sox rushing prospects in the last decade or so, except for a few pitchers rushed into the bullpen. Why can't the Sox draft someone like Meidroth? Ever.

Thanks for the correction. This is the rare situation from the last few years that should satisfy everyone.

I'd have been more pissed off than I already was had Samardzija said after the trade "Yea, I really hope Chris Bassitt and Marcus Semien do well in Oakland; that's important to me." Perhaps Merkin could not ask incompetent and irrelevant questions. It's a roundabout way of asking "Hey, Garret, say you still like the Whitesox. Please." Have some pride. This whole situation is a win-win. Boston gets an ace. Crochet got his long term deal. The Sox, 1 injury away from another Burdi situation, end up with 3 young highly-regraded POSITION prospects.

And Quero should be right behind him. And anyone else who has hit in Charlotte.

3 1-run losses in a row. It gets old. And Robert - what is that?

I kind of feel bad for not feeling bad about this. This Sox are beyond due to get lucky with one of these AAAA players. I don't know about this guy though. The one I thought was interesting was the guy the As waived and went to the Dodgers.

Hahn inherited an 85 win team and, in only 1 season, led that team to his comfort zone of 63 wins. He had a productive offseason with KW bagging Abreu and Hahn making a savvy deal ( one of the 4 he made in his long career) for Eaton. The team improved 10 games to 73 wins in 2014 with some young players showing promise. But then Hahn put on the clown hat and clowns shoes, pulled out his magic 8-ball and made series of moves over the next 18 months that set this organization back 5 years (or is it 10+ and counting?). And then in mid-season 2016, barely a month after the last of his outrageous moves, he announces that it's time to rebuild. What a Putz. And for all of his decade+ tenure, he had a competitive budget. I can't say that Getz is a good GM at this time. But he isn't Hahn.

And 2 of those guys need to really pop for that Crochet deal to be a big plus. Crochet only had 2 years of control, but man he's a top 5 pitcher. On the other hand, Santos for the #68 pick by itself seems like a good deal (if one values draft picks).

Getz is nowhere near Hahn-level bad.

He didn't hire himself, so I just evaluate what he's done as GM. I can understand the ire. I just choose not to participate in it, if for no other reason than I spent 10 years howling about Hahn (who effed things up a lot more than Getz has) and I'm tired of howling;

Tragic May he rest in peace.

Max Fried got more than that and Crochet's a better pitcher than Fried. But, Crochet has never pitched an unencumbered full-season; Crochet may have been able to get more by waiting but there is risk to doing that and even last year, Crochet was wanting to sign an extension.

On the other hand, the only trade where the jury is not out is Mena for Fletcher. That one is bad and looked bad at the time; and in that one, we're the ones that gave up the more uncertain prospect. Otherwise, the Santos trade is still live and TBD; as are the Cease and Crochet trades. And as questionable as the Fedde trade looked (and still looks) it's at worst a neutral, because we wouldn't have had Fedde to trade, but for Getz. And he also deserves some of the credit for getting Crochet out of the bullpen. The last guy sputtered at the start but did some good work in his year 2; and then in year 3, it all went to hell and he kept digging a bigger hole. Hopefully, this won't repeat.

When you trade for prospects, you will have a high miss rate. Yea, a few of his trades look pretty sucky. Some look pretty good, though. Some are described as bad, but they really weren't (Santos, e.g.).. And, in contrast to the last guy, none have been devastating!. Meanwhile, he continues to bring knowledgeable people into the org (also in contrast to the last guy). He's trying to improve.

On paper the lineup looks worse; and there's no Fedde or Crochet in the rotation. Still, I think they will hit better (although still likely #30) and pitch better than last year. And until we have some interesting OF prospects (like Teel perhaps when he's not catching) I kind of like this "100% Defense" OF motif (at least when Bene DHs).

They will be bad; but the pitching might prevent them from being "very" bad. I predicted 63 because a)I thought the pitching would be average and b) I've seen worse rosters than the 2024 Sox win in the 50s. That roster winning in the 40s was a fluke, abetted by several players who did not want to be there and Pedro.

He was the third SS that they selected in that 2023 draft. They've had great drafts this century. 12-16 months from how, the Sox may be able to say the same, but on the pitching side.

Dodgers win again, with a Betts walk-off. Tigers roughed up Tanner Scott (great Dodger defense minimized damage). 0-2 Tigers are tough, and remain my pick to win the AL Central. They're going to be a problem.

If both Quero and Teal can hit, and it looks like they can, I would think that both need to be in the lineup when the Sox are ready to win. Moving off of C might depreciate some value, but it's still more value than sitting, especially as hitting-starved as MLB is.

I certainly wouldn't trade for this guy; sure claim him, as he's more interesting than several on the 40 man. Well, we could trade Colas for him. Sox have first priority - there will be other interesting players available in the coming days/weeks. NO need to start trading now. As an aside, for how long do the Sox have the #1 waiver pick?