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QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 01:15 PM) I called it. Despite an absolute sellers market, with two of the best pitchers on the market, on longterm, friendly contracts, we won't find buyers because everyone paying 50% more for cheaper 1/2 season rentals. Being a white sox fan is a special kind of limbo. Appears that way. Using Dick's analogy, they'll pay $200.000 for a $100,000 house; but the won't pay $1,5 million for a $1 million house. Still we have players that expire in 2017; should be able to move some of them.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 12:26 PM) Oh Mazara is a must and I think today proves that. I'm not a huge fan of Gallo but he'd at least bring some much needed power to the lineup. I'm only fine with Gallo and Profar if they're not headlining the deal. You'll never get Odor IMO. I'd love to but I don't think they would that's why they're asking for Mazara and Gallo. Agree Gallo and Profar is way light as a headliner. Gallo and marza is okay, but depends on secondary pieces.

Here's Cameron's take http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-a-f...for-chris-sale/ I don't understand the Profar deal; only 3 years of control and, frankly, "where's the beef?"

Somebody wanted Capps for Shields or Gonzo. Well he's now a Padre.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 09:38 AM) So that bring us to the Sox. I wouldn't be surprised if we are basement dwellers. However, if you, gasp, re-tool. You can really compete in a terrible division. I mean, this might be an 84-85 win division in a few years. With the premature collapse of Kansas City, things have opened up. But the Sox don't have enough to compete now. As you pointed out, the division looks like it will get steadily weaker over the next several years, so a couple of steps back right now might work out, if good deals are made.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 08:56 PM) Thing is, if they get controlled players, I have no problem with buying and selling. There is no one in the system that can be traded that would make me lose a second of sleep if they are shipped out Those are December moves. Hahn made a few a few years ago...thought they were pretty good. But the last couple of years, he's been interested in 1/2 year rents (with the exception of the strange Shields trade).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 08:37 AM) Just those two numbers? He is 26 and under team control. You should be totally in love with him and his mediocrity Comparing a 5 ERA to Trayce Thompson and Marcus Semien? LOL Good one. Meanwhile, your man Rick Hahn, with all of his "proven veterans" has "Gone for it" 2 years in a row...and has delivered what exactly?

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 10:10 PM) Can we ever play Saladino? Or are we just going to trade him and watch him become Semien 2.0 He must be in Ventura's doghouse or something. He's the one player on this team who's actually improving, and Ventura seems to go out of his way not to play him. When Sanchez is up, he plays as much as Saladino. And letting Sanchez bat in the 7th...good gracious, Ventura.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 08:27 PM) This organization has some dumb promotions. This and the Fulmer. And Rodon And perhaps Anderson

Rea and his 5 ERA and 1.46 WHIP. Still, I don't know the comps that the Sox have to Cashner. They may not want to eat salary on Shields, which would be required to move him.

QUOTE (kwill @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 02:04 AM) I saw this idea floated out there a few times today. I can see the reasoning behind it. What do you guys think of Sale for McCutchen and Glasnow or Tallion? Pirates have Meadows waiting. We still get a young pitching prospect and a legit star. Only problem is McCutchen is controlled only though 2018. And that's a big problem. Also a problem is McCutchen is hitting at about Saladino levels this year. I read that stuff from Nightengale about Hahn wants "veterans" for Sale. Hahn and Williams will never face reality, I guess. This is the time of year you get a surplus ...yes, it's prospects. In December, there is no surplus unless you can deal against certain weak-kneed GMs...like Hahn.

Those deals without moving EAton, Quintana or Sale, will likely hurt the org; because Hahn will have to chase replacements in the offseason, and judging by his history, pays a little more than 2 "mid level prospects" (usually 4 prospects or 1 isn't mid level). And if you don't replace them, and feature Turner and Kahnle in the pen, you won't win 75 games anyway, so what's the point in keeping Q Eaton and Sale? Perhaps if they trade one of Q or Sale they could still regroup for next year (depending upon the prospects they get); but each day further reveals how thin this 25 man, 40 man and org is and probably a teardown is necessary.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 02:59 PM) I don't think they should, either a team overpays or you keep him. Fair value for Sale is not enough to make it worthwhile. Which is why it's probably not going to happen. Fair enough. I would just say that I hope Hahn is giving teams a fair chance to overpay. Insisting on their key major league pieces is not giving the teams a chance to overpay. The overpay will have to come with excess prospects. The only reason teams would overpay anyway is because they need the player now. When you take away a key piece to their playoff run, that weakens the urgency.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 02:39 PM) The Sox have a $100 million house they would sell for $150 million. They just need a Saudi prince or someone who has to have Sale no matter the cost. That's basically it. So the question is, do they take $100 million on Monday afternoon?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 02:15 PM) The Lat Am prospects have been improving, a couple popping up on the Top 30. I guarantee no one, including you, would have given a damn about Tatis if he wasn't in the Shields deal. As for Shields' contract, it's not bad for the Sox because the Padres are picking up so much. Anyone who follows the major league organization, not just the major league team, should be aware; perhaps not of Tatis specifically, but of the importance of those A ball players in developing an org. Once again see the Red Sox,Cubs, Dodgers: teams that actually developed great systems. Tatis was a WhiteSox bonus baby. They are still paying $9 million per for a pitcher with bad peripherals. I note with interest that the Jays are only paying $5 million per and Upton was having a good year (and Shields was not, to say the least). I wasn't lamenting tatis in my post anyway. My point is if they can get out of this essentially as a wash, they should take it and run. More confidence in Gonzo going forward anyway.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 01:04 PM) Betts >> Bradley and has more value than Sale by himself, so not sure why Bradley is the untouchable one and Betts isn't. I agree. I would think that they're both untouchable. Take the top prospects, Hahn No more clowning.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) This board would not care about Tatis at all if he weren't traded for Shields. Until one of those A ball international guys turns out good.....like Montas and several on the Cubs and Redsox. Regardless, just getting that contract off the books would be a plus.

I see Robinson Leyer is back in the rotation; and he had a nice start.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 08:46 AM) Can't take that .210 AVG in the 4 hole, aside from what I believe is solid D and elite power, best Sox 3B since Crede The Sox haven't had a 3B who was remotely competent since Crede (until Frazier). His D hasn't impressed me and certainly nowhere near Crede. I think they'll keep him if for no other reason there are a several available hitters that are better than Frazier.

Frazier isn't going to get a gargantuan contract (at least I don't think he is). He has power. His D is pretty bad, but the Sox could do better at rotating players around, especially in the DH spot. I might hang on to him and move him next year. Depending on how the rebuild goes and how he looks, perhaps even extend him. If they can get a legitimate prospect for him, then move him. But not so sure that happens.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 08:02 AM) If they keep Sale and Quintana, they won't rebuild and will try to compete next year. You have to try if you keep them. yea you do and it will end up like this year. Too many holes, too little talent. But as per the OP, this is an ideal time to rebuild. Some contending teams really lack pitching; the FA market is weak. This rebuild could go quickly IF properly executed. That's a big IF with Rick Hahn doing the evaluating and trade negotiation. And for goodness sakes, send Fulmer back down.

QUOTE (kevo880 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 01:11 PM) He would arguably be the top FA pitcher this offseason though if he finishes out the season strong. Could lock up similar money to what he's making now for longer than just the next 2 years. He'll be 35. No one would pay him anywhere near $44 million; The Sox will be fortunate to peddle him now for an interesting A ball prospect.

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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) I know a lot of people want Devers but if it meant getting the 2 top guys then they keep Devers and we could take a different prospect. I would so something like this for Sale and Robertson Sox take 1 Redosox protect 1. Sox take 2 Redsox protect 2 Sox take 1 Redsox protect 5 Sox take 2 Sox take Swithart If one wants Sale traded.

I think they'll be fortunate to get a Tatis back for Shields. If offered, I'd take it and run.