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Twins announcers described Navarro as one of the best pitch framer in the league.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 05:33 PM) Then they better be ready to extremely overpay for Reddick and Encarnacion this offseason, outbidding other teams no matter how stupid the offer. Then, fix the bullpen. Then maybe they would have a chance to compete next year. Emphasis on maybe. After 3 years of going for it, they may be able to compete. What a capable front office.

Basquez for a throw in, fine. But you have to hit. He's more than .100 OPS below acceptable levels.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 05:12 PM) Would love Vazquez but he may not be an ML bat. But is an ML catcher. Not a great fit on a team looking for some offense. But a long range solution behind the plate. Not if he can't hit and so far he has been awful. Should come cheap. I would think Baltimore could use some of our second tier pitching.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 04:45 PM) oh and Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 4s4 seconds ago White Sox evaluators aren't just scouting Red Sox' system. Source says Chicago looking at catchers, incl Christian Vazquez and Gary Sanchez. https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/759505031401844736 Vasquez hits like Leury Garcia. Boston can get away with it. Wonder which Sox vet the Yankees would want.

Yep, they probably will. A front office that can't come close to .500 while "all in" probably doesn't have the chops to grab value when its available. It's becoming apparent that Hahn is to general managing what Ventura is to managing.

Here you go. This Boston writer suggests Shields for Henry Owens. Sold! (even though I have my doubts about Owens). http://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-so...e-james-shields

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 08:42 AM) He probably is the #1 offensive prospect in baseball but he may be 2 years away. Also ultimately he may be a DH because Boston has better offensive/defensive young players in the outfield in front of him. Right now, Boston's #1 prospect may be Benintendi( also at AA) who they could promote to LF after the deadline because he is a 2 way player. Boston wants a World Series this year especially w Ortiz exiting and Shields could be that piece to put them over the top. Maybe the Sox have to add another pitching prospect or maybe upgrade to Rodon from Fulmer. Dombrowski is seldom enamored w prospects as he is with instant gratification. Shields is a back end starter. The RedSox are not lacking in those types. He will not help them win a WS.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 11:48 PM) Robertson and Frazier to Boston should bring some decent prospects, no? I'm telling you, you don't really wanna trade Sale, Q, Rodon or Shields. If we had bad starting pitching and if we have BAD starting pitching next year, we might start losing 100 games regularly. Think about it. The Sox have "gone for it/all in" with this core, and not only have they not contended, they can't even come close to .500. Hahn needs to accept the failure and sell. Shields is a marginal 4 or #5 starter right now; sell him for whatever you can get. Plenty of players will bring back decent (not elite) prospects back. Only Sale and Q will bring back elite. But that is a lot to sell.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 08:01 AM) It happens when you don't particularly value fantastic minor league stats because of silly baseball truisms. We all know about Quintana, which was obviously great, but was also years ago. And Guerra has pitched significantly better than, and has 5x the team control of Gonzalez, hence the different trade interest. Plus, Guerra has significantly outpitched Gonzalez. Controlling Guerra, watching him dominate Charlotte, calling him up and barely letting him pitch despite plenty of room in the rotation and pen and then dumping him, is just another symptom of this underperforming organization.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) Have you seen what guys like Cashner have been getting? It's entirely plausible.. It's more plausible,imo, that a rent of Shields would have more value than being tied into Shields and c. $20 mill over next 2+ years. The Sox getting rid of Shields and an interesting A ball prospect (I.e. Breaking even) is a big-time sell high. He still has weak peripherals and modern front offices are loaded with the stats guys. But that's my opinion. Let's see what Hahn can move these players for. Let's see some front office skill for a change.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 11:00 PM) Kahnle is pure garbage.. time to trade him for some scissors for Sale.. He averaged 7.6 walks per 9 last year. Guess who traded for him?

Geeze. Lose on HBP and 3 walks.

Pinch hitting for Morneau? with Avi?

"I get traded"? Looks like a prank.

Burdi's pitching a lot better; but wish they'd work on him as a starter. Rush up into bullplan plans unnecessary.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 08:08 PM) No doubt. Man I just have a gut feeling Texas is gona say f*** it and go all in for Sale. They might...I hope it's a big all in.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 07:59 PM) also six solid innings by Tyler Danish. Third straight decent game That's really good to see. Delmonico back I notice.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 07:55 PM) Yep....try and divert everyone's eyes from Mazara. See Profar can play OF too! Profar may be a better player than Mazara; I don't know. But it's the 3 year of control that really disinterests me. I'm watching the Rangers play right now. Great defensive team. And KC is one dead team.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 07:29 PM) Also of note: scouts from White Sox, Rays, Yankees, all potential trade partners for pitching are here. .. https://t.co/kgyrK3kz2r https://twitter.com/Evan_P_Grant/status/759180795663699969 Rangers Hope we're hitting their AAA, AA and A parks as well as those players will be a big part of the trade after the top 2 guys.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 01:15 PM) I called it. Despite an absolute sellers market, with two of the best pitchers on the market, on longterm, friendly contracts, we won't find buyers because everyone paying 50% more for cheaper 1/2 season rentals. Being a white sox fan is a special kind of limbo. Appears that way. Using Dick's analogy, they'll pay $200.000 for a $100,000 house; but the won't pay $1,5 million for a $1 million house. Still we have players that expire in 2017; should be able to move some of them.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 12:26 PM) Oh Mazara is a must and I think today proves that. I'm not a huge fan of Gallo but he'd at least bring some much needed power to the lineup. I'm only fine with Gallo and Profar if they're not headlining the deal. You'll never get Odor IMO. I'd love to but I don't think they would that's why they're asking for Mazara and Gallo. Agree Gallo and Profar is way light as a headliner. Gallo and marza is okay, but depends on secondary pieces.

Here's Cameron's take http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-a-f...for-chris-sale/ I don't understand the Profar deal; only 3 years of control and, frankly, "where's the beef?"

Somebody wanted Capps for Shields or Gonzo. Well he's now a Padre.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 09:38 AM) So that bring us to the Sox. I wouldn't be surprised if we are basement dwellers. However, if you, gasp, re-tool. You can really compete in a terrible division. I mean, this might be an 84-85 win division in a few years. With the premature collapse of Kansas City, things have opened up. But the Sox don't have enough to compete now. As you pointed out, the division looks like it will get steadily weaker over the next several years, so a couple of steps back right now might work out, if good deals are made.