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QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 02:26 PM) Me thinks Hahn/Cashman are using Twitter/National Writers as a way to stir the pot and/or put pressure on other teams. All of this stuff is intentional. Agree. Nightengale is a definitely a whitesox gawker. I think he'll end up in Houston for Martes, Tucker and someone other than Musgrove. But to me he is perfect for Pittsburgh. A team with limited payroll that can appreciate Q's contract; he's consistent and as "low risk" as possible re established upper tier pitchers; and Pitt consistently develops prospects, such that they are likely to recoup what they lose.

Brett Gardner going back to the Pirates would make sense. Yanks get McCutchen Sox get Glasnow. Rutherford and Newman or someone Pirates get Q and Gardner Probably someone would have to throw some cash at Pirates.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 10:48 AM) Rutherford was a top 5 talent in the draft My mistake. He's a strong prospect per the rankings. I was thinking of another guy.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 10:38 AM) I know we love Rutherford, and he would be an idea 2nd piece. Just wish we could make that first piece either Meadows or Torres or Frazier. He was pick #18 in last year's draft. That is not the value of a second piece, no matter how much the WhiteSox liked him 6 months ago. If the Pirates are actually willing to pay Glasnow plus Mcutchen plus Newman for Quintana, why bring the Yankees in? Take the deal and Hahn can spin-off McCuthen for more than Rutheford. That's the problem with Hahn 3-ways; when he brings in the 3rd team, it's the 3rd team that takes the surplus from what the other team was willing to overpay. He did it last year in the Frazier trade.

QUOTE (Mattchoo @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 09:18 AM) In my opinion, we desperately need young power hitting. Thoughts? Sox have needed that for the last decade. But this is tear down time, but hopefully we get one of those in the process.

QUOTE (Mattchoo @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:00 PM) I don't get why Pitt would want to trade Glasnow. He seems like on the verge and could be 1 or 2 starter talent. Because you can trade/ sign a 1/2 starter. Hitters of that caliber rarely get to the market until they are past their prime. Plus trading Glasgow creates equivalence- 6 years of maybe a 1/2 starter for 4 years of a 1/2 in his prime.

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) To state the obvious, we really need to start drafting and developing better, especially when it comes to position players. It's always frustrating to see all these well-stocked farm systems and then we have to give up a Chris Sale or Jose Quintana just to catch up. Amen!

I don't know that Tucker is untouchable. And if he is, move on. The objective evaluators certainly don't grade him out as untouchable skill.

This isn't a good market to trade Abreu. Maybe next year will be - not sure which 1B/DH are up for FA, but several were this season. Melky looks like a deadline deal; if he has a good year, but get a bottom top 100 for him. If not, then a flier. But that's okay. I'd like to see someone pony up for Robertson and move him before the season to create more room for Jones and perhaps others who could be flipped.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:56 AM) I'm on pirates.com message board and they're saying they need to make a trade for Q at all costs. One guy said trading Glasnow is ok because Q is in the rotation for almost as long as he would be but Meadows would be a tough loss. Same guy said if Meadows is in the deal, then they would be able to deal McCutchen over the next year or so with Bell could go back to LF with Marte in CF. Yes, just looking at twitter, the Pirates fans seem much more enthusiastic than the Yankees or Astros fans. The Astros may be tainted because they have traded a bunch of prospects over the past couple of seasons with less than stellar results.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:57 AM) You might want to re-read the Samardzija trade thread. Of course Trayce Thompson is a prospect you build a team around. And when he was Glasnow's age, an age where you say he should be ready for a rotation spot, he was hitting .229 in AA striking out at an alarming rate. He's one you keep, esp when you have no one else in CF. These non-elite prospects who can produce at league average levels would have certainly helped, perhaps allowing the Sox to spend the $17 million on a real player instead of Rollins, Justin Turner, etc. But the Sox got Dunn with a glove and a good attitude, so all is well.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:27 AM) Asking for Conforto lol. Always ask high, then negotiate. Kind of hard to value Conforto. One good year, one bad year. Decline in BABIP corresponds with increased K rate.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:31 AM) He has been too good for GreenSox. He likes mediocre guys. Glasnow is 22 has a 2.06 ERA in 500 minor league innings and struck out over 1 an inning during his brief call up. I want the Sox to get position players, but in decline, isn't ready for a rotation spot and should be at 22 is just so far against what he has posted about far lesser prospects. It has to be a joke. Now he isn't happy with prospects. Ooooh, Dick, got me again, right? Uh, that would be a no. I just don't like this prospect who is a member of the Pirates. Oh horrors! You will also note he dropped in BA's rankings as well. And to think only a year ago you (and others) were lecturing me from your high horse about the seminal, generational talents of Frazier and Samardzija.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:22 AM) He's 22 lol Decline in prospect terms means they aren't making the progress they once were. May be overcome, or it may not be, but it needs to be discounted from player value.

No Glasgow as centerpiece please. Appears to be in decline and Sox need position players. He is at the point in his career where he should be ready to step into a rotation....but he isn't.

I see that Phil has checked in with 8 trade proposals, balanced, it appears, by the rankings of the prospect within each partner's own farm. Needless to say...Mercy!

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 05:31 PM) What am I missing with Trevor Brown? I'll admit I know nothing about him, but I don't see much to like based on a quick google search. Seems like there are better prospects to target, perhaps a guy like Chris Shaw could work. Looks to be a decent catcher. Frazier will only bring a 2nd tier prospect or 2, Sox need a catcher (they can do without a decent 3B, CF or whatever else, but they need a catcher), so Frazier seems to me to be a decent asset to trade for a catcher.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 05:13 PM) What contenders need a 3B? Doesn't really seem like there is much of a market based on the contract Turner got. Giants Trade him for Trevor Brown. Mets could use him too. Astros need a 1B, DH - would have fit seamlessly had we snagged Bergman.

The Sox have 3 other prominent players to trade and you don't hear a thing about them.

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:52 PM) I like IF and CF prospects the most. I'd want a top fielder and top pitching prospect from each. So here is how I would rank them. 1. Pirates - Meadows, Newman, Keller, Diaz 2. Rockies - Rodgers, Hoffman, Tapia, Murphy 3. Dodgers - Bellinger, Verdugo, Barnes, Alvarez/DeLeon 4. Yankees - Torres, Rutherford, Sheffield, Andujar 5. Astros - Martes, Tucker, Perez, Stubbs The Astros package is the weakest, but I'd say it's the only one they could possibly get...maybe the Dodgers is achievable (if they wanted Q, but I haven't seen anything that they do). I don't see teams trading their #1 prospect, which is included in Pirates, Rockies and Yankees proposals.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) True or false: he who signs Encarnacion, trades for Q False And if it turns out to be true, it will be via 3-way deal.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 12:22 PM) There is zero chance the White Sox have too much pitching, but they do need to get at least some position players. Pitchers do have a higher bust rate. 2 or 3 years from now, if you need to fill 4 or 5 staring position players spots, you are going to be having some problems. Like exactly where they are now IF 2 pitchers turn out to be the equivalent of Q and Sale.They can always move pitchers later, but that involves more steps, more risk. Another risk with more young AA/AAA starters is that it will create a bit of a logjam, which might increase the chances that the Sox don't abide the proper timing in moving the pitchers into the Majors, if not actually rush one or two up. The Sox natural instincts are to rush prospects as it is.

I've always thought the Pirates made sense. Before the rebuild became official, I was afraid of a Cutch-Q trade (considering Williams, and by association, Hahn, seem to look at statistics from at least 2 years prior, when they make trades for veteran players). They have the prospects. And they want to contend. The Pirates want to dump players before their contract runs out; they will look to dump Cole next year, and Q is the perfect replacement. The Pirates also draft well, so they are probably reasonably confident in their ability to regenerate more prospects. And unless they sell-off goes perfectly, which it won't, the Sox will have to create some of their own elite prospects to build this thing back up. That big question, coupled with their ongoing inability to evaluate veterans (which they will have to do when building back up) is the big risk in this Sox rebuild. Hold firm with the price; there is competition now. The asking price to Astros wasn't overly high anyway, despite the baseball media spin.

All that signing this guy will do is crowd out the necessary and important auditions of younger players. Some of these young players will be part of the next good Sox team and some won't. It's time to find out about the Coats, et al.

Yanks have a position player-heavy farm, so that looks promising.