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Here you go. This Boston writer suggests Shields for Henry Owens. Sold! (even though I have my doubts about Owens). http://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-so...e-james-shields

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 08:42 AM) He probably is the #1 offensive prospect in baseball but he may be 2 years away. Also ultimately he may be a DH because Boston has better offensive/defensive young players in the outfield in front of him. Right now, Boston's #1 prospect may be Benintendi( also at AA) who they could promote to LF after the deadline because he is a 2 way player. Boston wants a World Series this year especially w Ortiz exiting and Shields could be that piece to put them over the top. Maybe the Sox have to add another pitching prospect or maybe upgrade to Rodon from Fulmer. Dombrowski is seldom enamored w prospects as he is with instant gratification. Shields is a back end starter. The RedSox are not lacking in those types. He will not help them win a WS.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 11:48 PM) Robertson and Frazier to Boston should bring some decent prospects, no? I'm telling you, you don't really wanna trade Sale, Q, Rodon or Shields. If we had bad starting pitching and if we have BAD starting pitching next year, we might start losing 100 games regularly. Think about it. The Sox have "gone for it/all in" with this core, and not only have they not contended, they can't even come close to .500. Hahn needs to accept the failure and sell. Shields is a marginal 4 or #5 starter right now; sell him for whatever you can get. Plenty of players will bring back decent (not elite) prospects back. Only Sale and Q will bring back elite. But that is a lot to sell.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 08:01 AM) It happens when you don't particularly value fantastic minor league stats because of silly baseball truisms. We all know about Quintana, which was obviously great, but was also years ago. And Guerra has pitched significantly better than, and has 5x the team control of Gonzalez, hence the different trade interest. Plus, Guerra has significantly outpitched Gonzalez. Controlling Guerra, watching him dominate Charlotte, calling him up and barely letting him pitch despite plenty of room in the rotation and pen and then dumping him, is just another symptom of this underperforming organization.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) Have you seen what guys like Cashner have been getting? It's entirely plausible.. It's more plausible,imo, that a rent of Shields would have more value than being tied into Shields and c. $20 mill over next 2+ years. The Sox getting rid of Shields and an interesting A ball prospect (I.e. Breaking even) is a big-time sell high. He still has weak peripherals and modern front offices are loaded with the stats guys. But that's my opinion. Let's see what Hahn can move these players for. Let's see some front office skill for a change.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 11:00 PM) Kahnle is pure garbage.. time to trade him for some scissors for Sale.. He averaged 7.6 walks per 9 last year. Guess who traded for him?

Geeze. Lose on HBP and 3 walks.

Pinch hitting for Morneau? with Avi?

"I get traded"? Looks like a prank.

Burdi's pitching a lot better; but wish they'd work on him as a starter. Rush up into bullplan plans unnecessary.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 08:08 PM) No doubt. Man I just have a gut feeling Texas is gona say f*** it and go all in for Sale. They might...I hope it's a big all in.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 07:59 PM) also six solid innings by Tyler Danish. Third straight decent game That's really good to see. Delmonico back I notice.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 07:55 PM) Yep....try and divert everyone's eyes from Mazara. See Profar can play OF too! Profar may be a better player than Mazara; I don't know. But it's the 3 year of control that really disinterests me. I'm watching the Rangers play right now. Great defensive team. And KC is one dead team.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 07:29 PM) Also of note: scouts from White Sox, Rays, Yankees, all potential trade partners for pitching are here. .. https://t.co/kgyrK3kz2r https://twitter.com/Evan_P_Grant/status/759180795663699969 Rangers Hope we're hitting their AAA, AA and A parks as well as those players will be a big part of the trade after the top 2 guys.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 01:15 PM) I called it. Despite an absolute sellers market, with two of the best pitchers on the market, on longterm, friendly contracts, we won't find buyers because everyone paying 50% more for cheaper 1/2 season rentals. Being a white sox fan is a special kind of limbo. Appears that way. Using Dick's analogy, they'll pay $200.000 for a $100,000 house; but the won't pay $1,5 million for a $1 million house. Still we have players that expire in 2017; should be able to move some of them.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 12:26 PM) Oh Mazara is a must and I think today proves that. I'm not a huge fan of Gallo but he'd at least bring some much needed power to the lineup. I'm only fine with Gallo and Profar if they're not headlining the deal. You'll never get Odor IMO. I'd love to but I don't think they would that's why they're asking for Mazara and Gallo. Agree Gallo and Profar is way light as a headliner. Gallo and marza is okay, but depends on secondary pieces.

Here's Cameron's take http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-a-f...for-chris-sale/ I don't understand the Profar deal; only 3 years of control and, frankly, "where's the beef?"

Somebody wanted Capps for Shields or Gonzo. Well he's now a Padre.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 09:38 AM) So that bring us to the Sox. I wouldn't be surprised if we are basement dwellers. However, if you, gasp, re-tool. You can really compete in a terrible division. I mean, this might be an 84-85 win division in a few years. With the premature collapse of Kansas City, things have opened up. But the Sox don't have enough to compete now. As you pointed out, the division looks like it will get steadily weaker over the next several years, so a couple of steps back right now might work out, if good deals are made.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 08:56 PM) Thing is, if they get controlled players, I have no problem with buying and selling. There is no one in the system that can be traded that would make me lose a second of sleep if they are shipped out Those are December moves. Hahn made a few a few years ago...thought they were pretty good. But the last couple of years, he's been interested in 1/2 year rents (with the exception of the strange Shields trade).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 08:37 AM) Just those two numbers? He is 26 and under team control. You should be totally in love with him and his mediocrity Comparing a 5 ERA to Trayce Thompson and Marcus Semien? LOL Good one. Meanwhile, your man Rick Hahn, with all of his "proven veterans" has "Gone for it" 2 years in a row...and has delivered what exactly?

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 10:10 PM) Can we ever play Saladino? Or are we just going to trade him and watch him become Semien 2.0 He must be in Ventura's doghouse or something. He's the one player on this team who's actually improving, and Ventura seems to go out of his way not to play him. When Sanchez is up, he plays as much as Saladino. And letting Sanchez bat in the 7th...good gracious, Ventura.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 08:27 PM) This organization has some dumb promotions. This and the Fulmer. And Rodon And perhaps Anderson

Rea and his 5 ERA and 1.46 WHIP. Still, I don't know the comps that the Sox have to Cashner. They may not want to eat salary on Shields, which would be required to move him.

QUOTE (kwill @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 02:04 AM) I saw this idea floated out there a few times today. I can see the reasoning behind it. What do you guys think of Sale for McCutchen and Glasnow or Tallion? Pirates have Meadows waiting. We still get a young pitching prospect and a legit star. Only problem is McCutchen is controlled only though 2018. And that's a big problem. Also a problem is McCutchen is hitting at about Saladino levels this year. I read that stuff from Nightengale about Hahn wants "veterans" for Sale. Hahn and Williams will never face reality, I guess. This is the time of year you get a surplus ...yes, it's prospects. In December, there is no surplus unless you can deal against certain weak-kneed GMs...like Hahn.