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QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 2, 2016 -> 05:20 PM) Because it's cheaper to bet on these prospects than sign real players. Hence, the restrictions of the low budgets. And they probably invest in some decent scouts so that they don't trade for players like James Shields, while cutting players like Junior Guerra, which could have financed a big overage.

Very amateurish 3rd inning. AKA clownshow. But the clubhouse is happy and that's what's important.

fister/Fliers...getting a lot of mileage out of those 2 #4/5 pitchers. Their staff is about that, now that Dallas K isn't pitching like an ace. Their whole team is really the 3 young stud hitters, plus slightly above average players around them and, at least this year, a strong pen. It seems to be working

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 2, 2016 -> 11:05 AM) They paid 1 or 1.2 million on Guerrero. Thanks. But I wonder why. That's more than some top 20 guys got.

Kind of surprised they called up Sanchez over L Garcia, who seems to have more utility versatility.

Not enough for Sale, although it's probably realistic. Too much for Quintana. imo

So they must have a big one coming in, right, as Hahn talked about 1 large bonus. So far they have 33, 36 and 37 and none would seem to warrant a high bonus ahead of the others.

Shields had 2 5th-starter performances and 2 abysmal performances. He's got a long way to go before he earns his keep.

I think he's more than a utility player; he's steadily improving, has a nice swing, runs the bases well and is a solid defender. People debase/under-value young Sox players who aren't hyped prospects...which is fine, except when the front office does it on its own players, as it has been doing the last couple of years. That shouldn't happen. 3 ML ready players went for Samardzija, and 3 went for Frazier. And they have several ready this year. I'm glad they're floating several onto the major league team to see if they are players. Most won't make it, some will, and I suspect Saladino will. Saladino should play regularly. L Garcia should be the utility player.

Astros have 3 young stud hitters. Kind of a patchwork team around those 3, but those are quite a 3.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 30, 2016 -> 04:54 PM) Ouch, talk about bad luck. Probably a jones fracture of the 5th metatarsal. That is an extra long healing time usually probably 8 weeks. Good gracious. How unfortunate for him.

Nice start by Davidson. But I notice he was pulled for Coats who also hits right handed. Is he hurt?

100% thumbs up to this. To make this a regular thing, though, they'd need to bring up another infielder, and send down Coats/Sands..forget which one is in Chicago and which is in Charlotte.

The good news about the 9th, is that it forced the brass to bring in someone new from Charlotte to try out. Can't hurt. Love Saladino in the lineup. He has a nice little stroke.

I like playing Saladino at 3rd and DHing Frazier. When Melky comes back, it would work nicely. Saladino's a better player than Avi.

Need a starter more than a reliever. Bullpen is acceptable.

Three year window http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2...liams/29738873/

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 01:15 PM) Another 'retooling' approach? From everything I've read or heard thus far, that will most definitely be their approach. In fact, it has always been their approach. The 'ol catch lightning in a bottle with guys off the scrap heap to an occasional free agent signing to an occasional trade for players passed their prime etc.. It's a system that has failed them over and over-- yet they fail to change. They try to do a little bit of this and alittle bit of that to put together a team 'on the fly' For once, I would like to see them commit to one thing. Commit to restocking the farm with prospects and spend 2-3 years developing guys. Commit to going ALL IN on type A free agents not just a couple of type B guys. The problem with the white sox, is their horrible retooling approach. Just knock it off! Commit to a damn direction! What I call retool, is really a rebuild, but over 3 years (like the Cubs did), not 5-10. Build the core to 8 and THEN sign the free agents. They had it to 4 and stopped.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 11:54 AM) You do realize that the INTL market and how much they spend is absolutely dependent on Reinsdorf right? You can criticize Hahn for trades and signings. Not going nuts on the international market is strictly an ownership decision though. All money decisions are ownership decisions. This premature "going for it" and bogus "3 year window" (when the core was signed for 5/6 years) was probably an ownership decision or a KW decision. it was totally unrealistic and had little chance of working (as we are seeing). But for as long as KW has worked with JR and for as long as Hahn has worked with KW, he's got to have developed some trust. And he should have told JR to wait a year or 2 until we rebuild this thing and THEN we'll go for it. In the meantime, spend some money on the organization. But KW was probably the "go for it" instigator. I still think they could make some progress without trading Sale and Q; put Robertson, Frazier and Cabrera out there.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 10:23 AM) The big question is whether Johnson, Tatis and the $25 million Sox commitment were agreed upon BEFORE the owner went off on him and he was shelled in Seattle for all those runs. If Hahn kept the deal on the table because it was a "gentleman's agreement" and didn't push to negotiate it down (again), he's an even bigger idiot than I previously thought. How much did that last week actually cost the Padres and Preller? Nothing? $5 million? $10 million? The Tatis/Johnson price was rumored well before the Seattle blowup. Hahn is like his mentor re trade negotiations. One could wonder if that money paid for Shields, some Laroche savings, couldn't have gone into the international market for this year, into which Hahn, apparently, is making a paltry investment.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 04:21 PM) The original trade talk I saw centered around the Sox being asked for Tim Anderson. Now I am not going to claim to know how the discussion went, nor will I claim to know what other teams were willing to offer, but $10 million a year for what Shields can do on the mound is dirt cheap. Compare that to what other free agent starters got this off season. If Hahn had included Anderson in a trade for the 34 year old rapidly declining Shields, Hahn should have been put into an asylum. From what I've seen, Shields can't do much on the mound anymore... Hahn is apparently looking at what he once did in the past and wishcasting that Cooper "saw something he can fix". The free agent comp should be someone like Latos, not Kennedy or Zimmerman.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 08:15 PM) Jameson Fisher with his first bomb of the season. He might end up being a pretty nice pick. Saw him play in college a couple of times. He can hit. Whether he measures up on the scout kind of stuff (bat speed, etc.) I have no idea.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 10:40 PM) Preller or someone with his staff he brought over from the Rangers definitely was in on Tatis Jr. before that trade was consummated. "A guy we have seen on the international market. Good feel for the game, bigger body player at SS." - A.J. Preller on Fernando Tatis Jr. Of course...Preller's an international guru and Rick Hahn, well, is not (to say the least). And they convinced Rick Hahn to throw him in, when this should have been an Erik Johnson salary dump considering how awful Shields had pitched. Maybe Rick's one big bonus this year will come up aces.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 10:39 PM) But the flip side of that is how many runs will he allow and cost games because of his bad defense? Mark 14 homers; play him at DH. Bottom line though is that this trade provides a nice snapshot of Rick Hahn's ability as a talent evaluator and as a GM. Semien is out of position at SS probably, but, fwiw, he has a positive defensive WAR this year (I don't exactly trust those defensive WAR numbers I will confess).

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 04:46 PM) Eating at the kiddie table? Well, Detroit and KC are "all in" and will be making moves in the trade market...will the White Sox match them? The White Sox could be 7 1/2 games back after tonight, unless you're going to assume that the Braves roll over the Indians. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CH...le-scores.shtml A year ago on this exact date, 32-40 and 13 games back. Congrats to Rick Hahn for the huge improvement. Don't know what we would do without him. Sure he can. No one's giving an A prospect for the Bruces or, egads, Brauns of the world. If the other team offers 2 Bs, Hahn will gladly deal 3 and throw in an A ball prospect for lagniappe. He's proven his willingness to do that before. He did it in the Shields trade that should have been nothing but a salary dump. And of course most of those orgs have 10-15 B prospects...the Sox have 5 - maybe. My hope, of course, is that Rick Hahn spares us any more of his trading acumen and talent evaluation skills. Do us no "favors", please Rick. Oh, and I see that Marcus Semien just jacked a 3 run homer against Rick's main man Samardzija.