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QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Jun 15, 2016 -> 09:04 AM) Just like Latos this year --- he wasn't going to keep it up. James Shields won't be this bad all year. He won't be great. But he is an okay #4 and good #5. Or maybe he is "just like Latos" this year...started off okay, but couldn't keep it up. I hope he is tipping his pitches. I hope Cooper can fix him. Cooper actually fixing something would be a cool breeze after the last 5 years.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 15, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) The more this team tries to add, the more we find that staying put would have done the same thing. If not more.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 15, 2016 -> 07:14 AM) Where are both of them now? They had flash in the pan seasons in SD and now they both are just journeyman pitchers. Erik Johnson isnt gonna make us regret trading him But James Shields will likely make us regret trading for James Shields and his 2.5 year encumbrance. Erik Johnson won't be a top of the rotation guy, nor probably a mid., but he can provide competent back-end performance. Sox will be lucky if Shields provides that Sox seem to find little value in back end young pitchers or position players their eagle-eyes for talent deem "utility"...yet they repeatedly trade or otherwise acquire veterans who can't even provide that.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 11:11 PM) User Actions Following Dan HayesVerified account ‏@CSNHayes Dating back to May 23, Todd Frazier is 8-for-69 (.116). May 23 is the last time Frazier had a multi hit game

Saladino has done nothing but play his ass off for the Sox and is improving. No clown shows from him. He should play every day. Better odds though of Sox dumping him as part of a "package that won't hurt our future" for yet another decliner.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 09:22 PM) Why would you DH your second best defensive player Because he's going to be on the bench most nights anyway.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 09:21 PM) But his defense is too good to stick at DH and he is the defensive replacement for everyone in the infield. You can't DH that Well, when he isn't subbing, which will be most nights, he can DH.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 09:02 PM) Can Saladino play right field? I'd love to get him some more at bats. Right field? Why not. Smart, can move, plays hard and I think he'll hit fine for an IF. (which is good enough for OF on this team).

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 08:55 PM) Fulmer could be up in July... I wouldn't mind it if he keeps pitching like this If he can be, I'm sure he will be. But for what purpose, I have no idea. Don't really know why Hahn rushed Rodon last year.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 08:50 PM) 5 runs in the 5th would be cool. A 10 game winning streak is right around the corner.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 08:39 PM) Fulmer pitching very well again tonight. The last thing the Sox need to do is to rush him up for this sorry bunch. But Hahn showing signs of desperation.

What's with this bunting down 4 runs. Swing the bat Eaton...you're one of the few guys who can drive the ball in this lineup.

Ventura's IW didn't help either.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 07:29 AM) See my note in round 1 thread. Hostetler said most of their scouts think he can start. They'll decide next offseason whether to stretch him out Let's hope they do. For #26, it shouldn't be a question. You draft a starter, not relief pitcher that Hahn can rush up.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 05:58 PM) I just could never understand why they couldn't just slot EJ as the #5 for a full season and just take our lumps with him and see if he can show any improvement. Never had more than 5 starts in any season. It wasn't going to happen. EJ was not a Cooper guy. Note Cooper gave Noesi more opportunity- much more - than EJ. And White Sox pitching is Cooper's world.

For one thing, Renteria bunted in the precise Point in the game where it makes sense to bunt. No evidence to suggest Ventura would've gotten that right. In fact, I don't think Ventura has bunted since his New York City sit-down with Hahn. He may be under no bunt orders, which, was probably necessary overall.

That was a good fight by the Sox. I see Renteria can identify the rare instance when it makes sense to sacrifice bunt. That could portend well.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 08:42 PM) The organization is awful. Talent level is bad at the big league level and farm system is a disgrace. Hahn has made a ton of moves the last few years, and almost everyone has failed. The truth

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 08:20 PM) #GabeKaplerForWhiteSoxManager2017 Or GM

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 08:01 PM) Bourgeois has to be more of a big leaguer than Coats. That should be an easy move. He hasn't hit ML pitching in 700 at bats. But nothing to lose by trying. And if he doesn't work, try DAvidson or someone.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) And that's why he needs to go. He can't develop a winner on the field and the farm system is a disaster And if he's worried about his job, then things will only get worse...nothing to lose by cleaning out whatever's left in the farm. Hahn's just been awful in "go for it" mode.

Ventura didn't trade for 2.5 years of James Shields. Shouldn't have traded for either Shark or Shields in the first place. Neither was a fit for the Cell anyway.

Square on the back of Rick Hahn. 10 runs allowed v. Seattle might have been a clue...but then he's got to "get his guy"

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 05:39 PM) We'll be getting the RV firing soon. Front office however is staying the same I'm ashamed to say. I do wish Hahn had full reigns to see what he'd be about. I do think he's hamstrung by KW at times. That may be the case. At one time, I thought it was the case. Now I really don't know. I like what Hahn did his fist year...try to build a foundation (which was exactly 2 when he took over: Q and Sale). In a 6 month time period, he doubled it to 4 (Abreu and Eaton) with Avi and Davidson as possibilities. But then, he, or Williams or both decided to "Go for it" and that was that.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 11:15 AM) Out of the MLB.com top 200, the White Sox drafted 6 guys: Zack Collins (14), Zach BUrdi (41), Alec Hansen (62), Jameson Fisher (75), Luis Curbelo (104), and Ian Hamilton (187) They also drafted 12 guys from the Baseball America Top 500: Collins (16), Burdi (21), Hansen (37), Fisher (64), Curbelo (99), Hamilton (221), Call (266), Flores (312), Nolan (410), Elliot (478), Lambert (479), and Booker (492). I'm guessing they'll get great overall reviews from Baseball America. Sox had 7 of the first 200 picks and 17 of the first 500 picks. Reliever in the 11th round - agree it's great. Reliever in round 1 - the essence of the problem with this front office. But he's a good player. If they can sign all of these guys, it should be a productive draft.