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QUOTE (SCCWS @ Dec 24, 2015 -> 11:36 AM) Actually I think he may be the 5th OF. He is probably a pick-up to replace Thompson and will either beat out Shuck or be 1st on the list at Charlotte. Actually "he" in my post above was Shuck.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 08:14 PM) We've never paid a $100 mil contract so how could it be "such a white sox move"? The 100 mill part isn't. The contract blowing up in out faces certainly is common, as is impatient negotiation (much improved with Hahn). There don't seem to be many suitors, so there's no reason to give him what he wants. Just beat KC's offer, which 4/$60 would accomplish, and wait. In the end, many orgs can grow their own outfielder or platoon 2 Guys and get 80% of what these guys produce at 20% of the cost.

I just read something that he wants $20 for at least 5 years. I'm leery of tying up at high salaries for any of these guys more than 3 or so years.

I'd like to see Laroche play more first. That's his one skill. I know Abreu doesn't like sitting, but he could use some rest, with those nobby injuries/aches and pains he gets now and then.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 06:55 PM) Was he good? No. Was he bad? No. He didn't hit an HR but had a .266 BA with a .340 OBP. Not bad for a guy that had just over 150 ABs. I think he's completely fine as the 4th OF. Yes, he's fine for a 4th OF. he took some walks, which is a rare skill in this org. But .689 OPS would not work in the platoon scenario post above. It would be nice to have an extra bat on the bench.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) Unfortunately it's something the White Sox have to do in terms of position players because they can't seem to develop their own. Makes it easier with the cheap top notch pitching they have. Sox have shoved 4 ML ready position players out there in the last 2 years. We'll see how they hit. And with the flaws, the hitters sent to the As hit better than the average Sox hitter. We'll see what Trayce and Micah do.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Dec 23, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) If Melky can be moved to DH, Sands can platoon with Shuck in RF. If not, he can platoon with Laroche at DH/1B. Shuck didn't exactly light it up offensively. He was pretty bad. Like a stronger LH bat in that scenario. I'm also not sure why Avi is considered "unimprovable". His walk rate, by Sox standards, wasn't bad. He's had 1 full year. It is within the rules to pull him for defensive replacement as well.

How's Sands' defense?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 08:05 AM) It should be a RH hitting OF that plays good defense as the 4th guy. Someone like Austin Jackson. This would allow you to rotate the DH spot among the OF's vs LHP He'd be okay. As his offense has tailed off, he has actually improved production against lefties. He'd be great for a platoon...the Sox could get a little creative. Could save the long term contract, save the draft choice and get close to the same production with a platoon. But Robbie and Kenny Williams don't platoon.

the numbers predicted here would be fine. They really make the case not to sign one of these aging guys like Alexei or give up anything of value for Segura.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 11:24 AM) I rather bat him two and move Melky into more of an RBI spot. If Melky's going to deliver his mighty .709 OPS again, he needs to bat down in the order. Sox don't really have a #2 hitter. Neither Lawry nor Melky can take a walk and they don't get on base If the Sox need to go to the 2nd tier, someone like Parra isn't exactly a prolific on base guy, but he's better than most of what they have.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 06:39 PM) Folk: The Sox are looking for a real play by play man not a former player trying to do that. Big difference between play by play and color. Good. They desperately need a professional; not a cheerleader to please the hard core. QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 06:39 PM) Black Jack has fallen out of favor with the organization due to his blog criticisms of how they handled Gordon Beckham's development. Now that's the Sox I know and love.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 08:33 AM) I would hate that, this team can't afford to give up Robertson IMO. If you makes Jones the closer, everyone is forced to move up a spot and the entire pen is weaker as a result. The Sox need to find a way to add one of the big OFs without hurting the major league roster. In this scenario, trading Robertson frees up a lot of money. That might make them able to trade him for some young players and sign an outfielder. Who really need Robertson, though? Astros? They've got org. depth out the wazzu. That said, it would shock me if the Sox trade Robertson. That's just not the way they operate when they're going "all in". The push forward; don't nuance with side steps that might make them get even more forward.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 10:47 PM) Impossible without trading Anderson or Fulmer...they'd probably ask for Anderson AND Adams to open up discussions, knowing Hahn won't deal Anderson/Fulmer together as a package. Enciarte had one good year in the minors; last year he had a high BA in the majors, but didn't walk and showed no power. the Sox treat such players like cheap chattel,and dump them for short term rents; but now they're supposed to trade top prospects for them? The Sox could have traded someone like Q for 3 or 4 Preston Tuckers or Enciartes. Just hope this NL slugger doesn't turn out like all the rest. As for the rotation, they are counting on Danks not to be Danks and for EJ to stick (which he very well may; but then again we've seen this show before) and no injuries. Behind them is zero. I like Gordon for a number or reasons, but his age is a concern. One of the reasons is that he might bring a level of maturity onto this team.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 09:03 AM) Without Cespedes the Mets would of never reached the World Series. They probably would of never reached the Playoffs without him. That being said, I can't help but wonder, why aren't the Mets going to bring him back ? Am I missing something here.? If the White Sox are going to bid on him, why aren't the Mets even bidding on him? Is he a clubhouse cancer? He has been on 4 teams already. Do these 4 teams know something about him that we don't? Good questions. Why did Oak get rid of him for a pitcher they didn't really need? Why did Boston trade him for a 3/4 starter? He's goofy; there were reports he didn't want to play this position or that position. And last year was far and away his best season. Outside of 2015 and his rookie year, there really isn't much special about him. Could be paying a mighty premium for a career year. But if 2015 is his reality, he's worth it.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) Marisnick is a guy that I'd love to have on the Sox. He's young, cheap, and elite defensively. he just can't hit.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 01:36 PM) Whoever we sign needs to play RF to get Avi off the roster. Getting him out of RF and the line-up adds 1.1 WAR right off the bat... Could say basically the same thing about the "proven veteran" Melky.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) Depends on prices, but I like Austin Jackson. He couldn't hit with Seattle, but is still only 28 or 29. He would be an upgrade. I'd go for that. No Fowler though

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 11:32 AM) I honestly don't care about home road splits. In our best example, with coors, we always hear about the coors effect. While there is number inflation, has anyone been overvalued by coors? Holliday had a great career from coors, Tulo was great, cuddyer, fowler... It's thrown around like this huge insight, but it seems pretty meaningless. OBPs should carry over.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 10:09 AM) Do you look up statistics? In 8 full seasons, Upton's lowest OBP was this year at 336. In 4 years, Cespedes has had an OBP above 336 once, and that was his rookie year. And Upton actually had a higher OBP than Cespedes last year despite having a "down year" and Cespedes "trending upward" Of course I do. My statistics were correct. Upton's OBP has dropped each of the last 4 seasons. I never claimed Cespedes has a good OBP. He's a slugger. His mashing has trended upward. But last year could very well have been a career blip.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 09:36 AM) Frazier hit 43 doubles and 35 homers, so it appears despite hero worshipping and acquiring him, he could help solve the problem. As long as he doesn't revert to his .634 July OPS, or .656 August OPS, or his .676 September OPS. And let's hope he improves his career.739 OPS away from Cincinnati. And that Trayce's was complete foolsgold.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 09:32 AM) I also don't get how Justin Upton can't be considered pretty consistent. His OBP has trended downward. Not precipitously. He Ks a lot. Cespedes has been trending upward. But he is more of the slugger type; but he sure can mash it. No QO

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 09:29 AM) Dude, you are beyond delusional. The 2005 White Sox had solid power or better at almost all positions and hit 200 HRs. I'm not sure how comparing those teams or players are relevant at all. Sure they hit homers...but not with swing and miss low obp sluggers, fawned over hereon. Sox had players across the board who who could hit. They also played impeccable defense and dumped a slugger at a steep discount to shore up his and other positions.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 09:20 AM) They were last in home runs last year. They needed 3 hits in a row to score one run. Pretty clear why people want a power upgrade. The Sox were also 2nd to last in OBP and 3rd to last in Doubles. Sox had 3 fewer HRs than the Royals...and 40 fewer doubles.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 09:04 AM) A lot of teams don't prefer to use flawed players the way you do Sure they do. They just think they're good when they're really flawed. Heck Melky didn't have that much better year than Avi; but somehow he's a solid #2 hitter, while Avi, in his first full year, is garbage. (not to mention that the cw is that Avi won't take a walk; for this organization, his walk rate isn't terrible and it's better than Melky's was). Laroche had a .697 against right handed pitchers; .383 against lefties (.383!). Tell me, why does the field manager let him hit against lefties?