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QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 07:55 PM) http://southsideshowdown.com/2015/12/11/wh...ce=snsanalytics McMahon has some pretty nice stats. Probably going ton be blocked by Arenado. Sure he'd be a nice pick up. But for goodness sakes not for our #2 prospect. That he's blocked is supposed to lower the price, not raise it.

Absolutely not. Lose a draft pick. Nothing he brings that the Sox don't already have. Thompson, Eaton, Avi/Melky.....it's really not bad. No heroes; no NL sluggers; but not bad.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 07:49 AM) I view it this way: 1) He is a solid improvement at 3RD, over what we had last season. 2) His contract is very reasonable, for the next 2 years, and then Trey Michalczewzski can take his place 3) He has enormous upside, and could be a star 4) His acquisition did not cost any top prospects, or create any holes. There is no reason not to gamble on his character issues, which involve intensity and confidence. Those are positive attributes, even if he does seem to overdo both, at times. I agree with all except number 3. 1,2 and 4 are good enough for me however. Teams don't go from 76 wins to playoffs without tremendous infusion of talent( unless they flukeishly underperformed to get 76, which the Sox didn't), young or old. Sox won't have tremendous infusion this year so save the young players.

How many wins does Lawrie add? One? How many wins would Frazier add with a big year? 4 or 5? That gets us to .500, people. Big whoop. This needs to be a year for development. See what we have. Sure we can trade Trayce....but no one is going to give us a premium price for him precisely because he doesn't have the minor league pedigree. Had he torn it up in the minors AND had a month like this, he'd be a top 10 prospect. We may have a gem. We may not. But I doubt he's dud. See what we have in Sanchez as well. And Micah. Let Saladino fill whatever we need. See how the A ball talent (which looks strong) develps.

Is this a surprise? He plays great D, hit nearly .900 OPS. of course teams would want him....it's just people around here and the Sox org. has this thing about "proven veterans". It's nuts. much prefer him than waste him as part of a package for Todd Frazier and his home-stilted stats, including a mighty .660 the 2nd half of last season. Or, sell high (for once!) and trade Eaton for a hitter and put Trayce in center. Or keep Eaton and put Trayce there anyway How people don't want to give this guy a chance is beyond belief.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 06:54 AM) Not really a gamble for two reasons 1) Sox didn't give up anything of value 2) A bad year by Lawrie still makes the Sox better at 3B than they have been in a while Agree And he didn't push anyone out. If you move him to second, you push out a promising young young player for a mediocre veteran, which is a fools game

Teams with stuffed farms that are ready to compete can and do that sort of thing.

Unbelievable. After all of their prospect deals, the Braves can't scrape up someone from AAA that can best Bonifacio?

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 08:27 PM) Yes but I think the fact he plays both positions well defensively and really becomes a plus bat playing second. I think the move gives us the flexibility to continue talks with the Reds of we want and have the flexibility to move him to second. He doesn't have a plus bat at 2nd. Better than Sanchez for now. But Sanchez looks like he may be good. Prefer hitting the FA market for another bat rather than send Anderson for Frazier.

This stabilizes the Sox. Improves the team, smooths a real rough spot, and allows them to keep building.

QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 08:06 PM) whoa, he had less value than i thought Certainly less than I feared. Good job holding out, Hahn.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 08:36 AM) Lawrie is light years better defensively Yes but it shows how mediocre he is offensively. Trayce and Engel along with Anderson are the only 3 prospects who show anything on offense. And they both play great defense. Sox are searching for hitting so they give up young players who look like they can hit for one who looks like he can't. Avi and a middle reliever. Bargain for a change, Williams and Hahn. Further it weakens out OF defense without Trayce and that was a huge problem. 3b defense wasn't. But the Sox are usually only about this year.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 08:00 AM) Why do you always criticize other people's ideas, yet you never throw anything out there yourself? I don't get it. I do. You just don't like what I throw out there. Acquire young talent. Don't trade for rents, career years and mediocre veterans. What the Sox are doing has a 100% failure rate. I have no interest in the average Lawrie, except on the cheap. This team is not competing in 2016, no matter how much fawning Williams and Hahn do at the feet of Billy Beane. No matter how many of our young players we hand over to him. And if the price I heard is correct, it's an outrage.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 07:50 AM) Just a guess but I think the Sox are looking to include Reddick. That's alot of outfielders Oakland is looking at and the Sox have a need for a real RF with defense. Reddick is left handed with pop and could hit behind Abreu. The Sox could fill two noles in one trade. Reddick would keep the Sox from spending big on a FA OF bat thus saving a '16 draft pick and could look at extending both Lawrie and especially Reddick since he's a FA after '16. I'm just speculating but the trade history between these two teams justifies the speculation. Which is why they shouldn't get Reddick. Another rent? Lord help us. Yea, yea, they'll extend him, they'll flip him...and they never do either. And saving draft choices isn't a savings if you are dealing away your prospects, which is what would happen. The clown gming has got to stop. And the love affairs with the As never end up well. See how the Cubs did it -they actually had a deal worked out for Castro before submitting the bid for Zobrist.

Just can't pay much for this stopgap 3b. A mediocre prospect and one of the several mediocre bullpen pitchers. as need pen help.

Get ready to get fleeced again by the As. Yes by all means trade young pitchers, considering their value, for this mediocrity. Or maybe a Trayce. Avi-don't care why they'd want him. That's the value.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:16 PM) They're blinded by ambition, then. If we made this trade for Q anyone could have understood its merit. We're not going to compete with even Upton and A.Cabrera in the ALC. We have a pitching surplus for exactly this reason. If they dont trade Q now, they wont next season even if Fulmer and Montas are ML ready. It's just not a White Sox move. They'd trade both prospects for an underwhelming package Agree They can't get beyond this idea of competing in 2016, as unlikely as it is. NO surprise -they thought they could compete in 2015 coming off of a 73 win season. They thought they were competing last July. They just won't face reality. They are more likely to trade Fulmer and Montas to rent a fraud like Frazier or Coors Field Cargo than they are to trade Q. As for Hahn, I don't know what he is or isn't. But nothing happens without Williams and often JR approving, so no telling if Hahn is allowed to do what he wants to do. Things would be cleaner without Williams around.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 06:02 PM) White Sox spent a portion of the day talking internally about lining up a series of possible moves. Things could start to heat up. https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/674377097708765184 I thought they had been doing that for the last 2 months.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 09:41 PM) I don't think so, but if I misunderstood it, it still means he's comparing Trayce to Inciarte due to them both having underwhelming minor league stats. Still a stretch, because Trayce had a nice few weeks and Inciarte has been a very valuable offensive piece for two major league seasons. They both do play great D, however. The point was that Inciarte's major league performance is a lot better than his minor league performance would have suggested. So far, so is Trayce's. A mere counterpoint to the idea that he's a 4th OF, and inherently inferior to a mediocre veteran or a rent of a faux hero or career year.

FWIW, Inciarte is kind of like Trayce- modest minor league stats, but exploded as a major leaguer.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 08:40 PM) I'm probably one of the few, but I'm not opposed to the White Sox staying quiet(er) in free agency. My #1 focus continues to be rebuilding the minor league system and rebuilding it back. Having 3 draft picks in the first 50 or so picks is a good start, but they need to keep these picks and not be tempted on a free agent. They have addressed the catcher spot, and have internal options at 2B (Sanchez) and SS (Saladino). These may not be exciting options or even guys they can win with long-term, but why not find out next season? Same with the OF - Tryce Thompson is a good defensive player, the White Sox were high on A.Garcia before his 2015 season and they still have La Roche under contract for next season. I'm not saying to not make any moves, but avoid longer term deals, especially on stop-gap type players. If there's a player who is available who they believe can be part of a winning team beyond next season, I can support that, but I'd rather not lock myself into bad deals all to slightly improve. So, who on the market (or in a trade) can complement the young pitching staff that the White Sox have built? Right on From a fellow of the few.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 06:18 PM) Dodgers trade: Yasiel Puig Julio Urias Joc Pederson Dodgers receive: Jose Fernandez Adam LaRoche John Danks Marlins trade Marcelo Ozuna Jose Fernandez Marlins receive: Julio Urias Carlos Rodon White Sox trade: Carlos Rodon Adam LaRoche John Danks White Sox Receive Yasiel Puig Marcelo Ozuna Joc Pederson Thoughts?? Dodgers aren't going to trade Urias, Puig and Pederson for Fernandez Don't really like the Sox return either - oh it's a fair return, just not my cup of tea. Rather trade Q for Puig and the 3B prospect. (which they wouldn't do either).

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 08:51 PM) Exactly, and our weak minded management could never accept such a move. Always going for it are the White Sox! Yep. They should have been all over moving a pitcher with the high demand and the pretty strong pipeline (albeit unproven) behind them. But they have to "go for it" this year. We could see that when they wouldn't trade Shark last year. They have no long term plan at all.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 08:40 PM) This is exactly why Q should be placed on the block. The return for him could change the direction of the franchise. That would be taking 2 steps back to take 5 steps forward. The Sox prefer to take 1 step forward and then 3 steps back.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 08:03 PM) ATL got a great package for Miller, but the Sox are better off waiting until next offseason before consider moving Quintana or Sale IMO. The free agent market is significantly worse next year and these guys will still have three & four years of control respectively. Plus we'll have a much better idea where we stand in a year (does Rodon take that next step, are guys like Anderson/Fulmer legit pieces) and dead weight off our roster (LaRoche/Danks). Good points; it's also the argument for saving our prospects. there are also aren't many orgs like Arizona willing to trade prospects like that. Boston is one. But they made their moves.