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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 14, 2015 -> 10:02 AM) I sure wish the Sox had the opportunity to repair Hudsons UCL two times. yea, Williams knew that was going to happen. Jackson Swisher Shark Dunn Those proven veterans. Meanwhile, prospect for prospect gets you: Quentin Eaton Davidson I'll take the latter approach.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 14, 2015 -> 02:53 AM) You could tweak the package. Throw in Danish or Adams or something like that. Sure throw in Adams. i.e. ravage the farm for 2 years of Coors Field Cargo. The same kind of move as sending our top pitching prospect for Edwin Jackson...and, yes,, we were supposed to "flip" him for ....Adam Dunn!!! Yikes. This stuff gets the Sox nowhere. Sox don't have a lot in upper minors. Which is why we should keep our players in the lower minors. Trade Q or sign a FA first. Or try to get that 3B prospect

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 14, 2015 -> 12:20 AM) McMahon is one of their top prospects, third baseman. Thanks Well, let's isolate a trade for him. He's obviously blocked. he's the guy we should look at. Montas? E JOhnson? Cargo hit .238 in 2014. You just don't know what you're getting with some of these guys. Expecting 2015 is howling at the moon, especially with the Sox luck with "sluggers" Le Maheiu had OPS in the mid .600s in 2013 and 14. Lucky BAPIP last year.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 11:49 PM) How about: Sox get CarGo, LaMahieu and McMahon Rockies get Montas, Erik Johnson, Micah Johnson, Avi and Trey M. No, although I don't know anything about McMahon. LaMaheiu had a career year with a 360 BAPIP. Zero interest in trading good prospects for Coors Field Cargo Much rather trade E Johnson for a young 3B or C and keep Montas, Trey and Micah.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 11:31 PM) They got more from what I read. They did really well. I think Margot is rule 5 eligible. Anyway, Boston didn't trade away anything that would be a key piece in what I'd want in a Q trade.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 04:22 PM) If you believe that the Chicago media, especially ones that are being paid partially by the White Sox, are in the back pocket of the team, an article like this should make the hair on your neck stand up. Why? I would give him up if we could get good at 3 other positions. But I root for the team, and I really don't care who's on it as long as they win.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 10:49 PM) I always liked the Sox and Pirates as trade partners. Can't remember many - Marte to Sox and then back to Pitt? DeLeon/Bonilla? But they do seem to like small trades...the kind I wish we'd make more of.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 10:43 PM) Such as Matt Davidson Adam Eaton We don't always make wise trades with them, but they churn out some young players.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 10:09 PM) I wouldn't be surprised to see a Sox/Colorado/Diamondbacks 3-way trade. Some good matchups there. I'm not much interested in Colorado, but Arizona always seems to churn out a good bit of talent. And if we must hero worship, I'd rather sign Upton or someone than trade a bunch of prospects for 2 years of Cargo. .750 OPS away from Coors field is nothing elite.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 07:02 PM) Quintana is a lot more valuable than Kimbrel he is, but market value of bullpen stoppers (not necessarily closers) steadily rising. I also wonder if San Diego didn't get more back for Kimbrel than they gave for him.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 06:42 PM) Why give up assets whereas Saladino or resigning Alexei could produce the same if not more than Aybar? I'm all for playing Saladino. It doesn't seem to sit well with anyone else. Aybar is terrible...he should be had for basically zilch, unless the Braves just want to hang on until July, pray he has a good first half. The Braves have been willing to suck up salary as they rebuild...they are a little different than most in that regard. Alexei moving on was the first step in de-clowning this team. He needs to stay away. Let him go, please.

See what the Braves want for Aybar. Can't be much.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 05:54 AM) Oh sure, that's what everyone wants to do is switch the entire roster with the Reds because of their plethora of heros. A lot of people certainly seem to think adding a Reds or 2 will turn this mid 70s win team into a World Series contender.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 07:46 AM) If people don't want to go watch Sale, Q, and Rodon pitch then that's their prerogative. I'll be out there 15+ times to see those guys though. I'd rather see a winning team. The Sox don't need to tear it down from here - haven't they been rebuilding for the last 3 years anyway? Trading Sale or Q or Eaton is not tearing it down. The Cubs fans didn't freak when they dumped Shark (even when they were light on pitching) instead of paying him what he wanted - they got better. Sometimes you have to take sidesteps. I think they are fully capable of having this ready by 2017. But not by trading our good young players for a Todd Frazier or the like. That will sentence the Sox to 78 win prison. And get solid on defense. If you want a star, sign Upton or someone. An OF of Upton-Trayce-Eaton or Upton-Trayce-Avi/Melky is decidedly better in all aspects than what we saw in 2015. Get the pen to be good instead of average. Internal options should be able to help here. Montas could be a force, even if the end game is for him to start. The value of top relievers, closer or not, has gone up in the last few years.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 06:28 PM) Hero worshipping. And that's exactly what the idea that 1 or 2 big FAs or trades will improve this team 10-15 games is. I'm trying to figure out how the Reds, loaded with heroes, suck so badly. Anyway, if you want to sign one of your hero outfielders, find away to move Dunn out, Melky can DH, and shift Eaton to LF and put Trayce in CF. That way we'd have a hero + excellent OF defense.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) Even if he improves his plate recognition his awful defense will still be there. As will his rocket arm. No reason to sell low.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 04:35 PM) Would you guys do a Frankie Montas and filler for CarGo, Q for Andrelton Simmons at SS, and sign one of Upton or Cespedes?? No Are you kidding?? No

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 05:56 PM) Way too much pitching to give up for someone that won't help your offense much. Not only won't he help the O, he will hurt the O. Even our O. He'd be great if you can rake everywhere else. Listening to the MLB network, some Sox fan suggested Q for Castro. I thought "who is this dingbat?". And then both Bowden and Stern said it would be a bad deal for the Cubs. Many, everyone drinks Theo-aid.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 01:13 PM) That seems like an absolute steal for the Yankees. Looks about equal to me. What am I missing on Hicks?

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 08:08 AM) Eaton has a pretty average to below average arm in the time I've watched the Sox. He fits best in LF. That's why I advocate trading him. His defense is not good and we got what I believe is a career year offensively out of him. And he clowns it up too much. If I'm hero worshiping, Heywars in right Thompson in center Avi in left. I just don't see Heyward as an elite bat.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 02:33 AM) I think a Sox/Dbacks trade may work out pretty nicely. They need pitching, and have a lot of young talent, and extra OFs.....let's see.... SP Quintana for OF Ender Inciarte, SS Chris Owings, RHP Aaron Blair, 3B Brandon Diamondbacks always seem to churn out a lot of young talent and are willing to trade.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 09:36 PM) Michalczewski, Montas, and Danish 2nd half OPS around .650 Really stilted home/road splits 2 years of control No way should we trade 2 of our best prospects for that

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 01:55 PM) That isn't quite what Hahn said. There isn't a mention of cost. Hahn says, “I think ideally we’re going to be adding pieces, though, that are younger and more controllable for an extended period of time." He says "controllable" in reference to time, not cost. Jason Heyward is younger and the he'll be controllable for an extended period of time. Same with Upton, Rasmus, etc. Not saying we'll get one of those guys, just that Hahn doesn't mention cost. If they want Rasmus now, why didn't they want him last year when he was cheaper and w/o losing a draft pick? He's a decent defender, but strikes out too much, OBP too low, head case at times. None of those FA hitters excite me like Prices or Grienke or even Zimmerman would, were the Sox looking for pitching.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 11:30 AM) They also have a 3B waiting in the wings. McMahon at AA IIRC. Good - trade for him then.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 08:33 PM) Pitching prospects for young cost-controlled hitting is the only thing that comes to mind. Trading Cabrera, LaRoche and Robertson wouldn't bring back much. Maybe a guy like Petricka in a Reed type trade (granted it didn't work but I'd pull the trigger on a reliever for top 100 prospect every day of the week). Or our cost controlled pitching for some of their young cost controlled hitting. WE can develop pitching. You get a premium price when you deal pitching that is already developed. Sox aren't in the position to deal prospects; that's not how teams are built. It's what the Sox have done for years, and it has failed repeatedly. It made some sense prior to 2005 as the Sox had a much stronger farm then. Just build the organization. Try to move the dead veterans out and play more young players (sadly most of the nonproductive veterans were acquired last year). Still too many holes to contend in 2016. Ozuna had a terrible year last year; might get him at a discount.