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QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 06:45 PM) The garbage we gave up is marginally more valuable than garbage we received. The Sox did not get fleeced. Samardzija just didn't show up this season. None of the players the Sox gave up are going to amount to anything, except perhaps Semien as a league average player. Phegley can hit; Semien can hit. Both are flawed but can hit. The issue though why is a 73 team trading young players for a 1 year rent. 1 in a series of ridiculous moves last winter. On a different subject, it's startling to me how any one could possibly believe that Starlin Castro has any trade value at all. He's a .8 WAR player and you are on the hook for 40 over 4.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 06:00 PM) Agree. If they were to deal him anyway. My preference is to deal from the pitching depth in the minors for hitting. No. Stockpile that. Deal some once the foundation is built. This org is in no position to trade young players except in exchange for someone else's young players. I'm okay with dealing Q or Sale for that matter, for the right price. He's a 4-5 War player, at a low salary with years of control. That's the price. I'd deal Eaton first, though.

QUOTE (shipps @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 03:42 PM) RV has more experience than Renteria as being a manager. Renteria is not there to be his mentor. Maybe he is there as waiting in the wings like Sandy Alomar suggested with his decline of the position but certainly not to mentor the manager. That's why I think that this is a pretty savvy pick. It's not like he has a resume that dwarfs Ventura's. I think he did a good job with the Cubs and is a much better manager than Ventura, but Ventura shouldn't feel a long shadow above him with Renteria

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 9, 2015 -> 05:27 PM) 4. The Cubs and Sox won't be making any blockbuster deals any time soon. If you listen to Cubs fans they only want to trade their junk: Castro, Soler, etc. (Soler and Castro aggregated to a .9 WAR last year). But even if Theo is willing to make an honest trade, I just don't see a matchup. Who do they have that we want? Any ML ready C or 3B? I know they have some guys in low minors, but I just don't see the fit. Now, I can see fits with Boston, the number 1 player-hype machine in MLB (Cubs still #2). But not Cubs.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 10:50 PM) I'm on board. Now we need to be aggressive this offseason again. Hopefully aggressive in building the organization and bringing in young talent. Like we were in 2013. Hopefully not aggressive in bringing in"proven veterans" which failed miserably last year. Renteria did a good job with the Cubs.

Guess of course 2nd on Abreu (might have won WS had they come out first). They've had inconsistency at first and no one they're satisfied with. Astros have their foundation built, with a strong pipeline of young talent. They can afford to hero worship to plug a hole. And with most of the players from Asia, the price is reasonable.

Astros

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Nov 8, 2015 -> 08:25 AM) No, the FO thought they were going to contend for a playoff spot back then. Hell, they thought they were still contending at the July trade deadline. Maybe. Or maybe they didn't want to give the impression that they weren't going for it. July inactivity = scars from the White Flag which at this point probably stick in JR's mind and nowhere else.

With farm rich teams like the Cubs and RedSox being in buyer mode, it's just another good year to make them overpay and build the organization, so that the Sox can be buyers in a season or 2. The Sox are just a lot further way than an Upton and Weiters to getting into contention. Guys like Cabrera wouldn't help at all. Freese would help a lot if the team were otherwise set, which it isn't.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 08:47 PM) Beckham is a FA and with so many infielders its doubtful the Sox bring him back. One idea for SS could be Asdrubal Cabrera, depending on his asking price and if the Sox do indeed part ways with Alexei. Beckham - that's not even contingency plan 1004. Cabrera's a lousy defender. Rather Saladino The FA market for SS sucks. yes someone will sign Alexei for 6-7 mill. The lesson, really, is that we should have traded him last winter.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 07:52 AM) His guesses last year for the Sox ( C. Rasmus , C. Young (0F) and K. Morales) turned out way better than who the Sox pay to make those decisions.Cheaper too. Boy,no doubt about that. One of these guys, maybe Law, suggested a team pick up YOung and Para and platoon them in left.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 04:10 PM) Sox should get someone at least as good of a prospect as Spencer Adams. Maybe even better. They'll have 2 top 30 selections. One at 10. Another in the late 20's. Put in that light, I agree that we didn't lose a huge opportunity in not dealing Shark. Well, probably the best opportunity was lost when we didn't deal him after the Blue Jay series, as some suggested we should. That is when when he reached his peak in front of a dozen scouts and a team that needed a starter.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 12:55 PM) Let's not forget how valuable dominant relievers are right now. Exactly. The odds are that a dominant young reliever is a lot more than the Sox will get from a comp pick.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 02:54 PM) Leury's are a dime a dozen. If there's space for him, fine. If they need it, he should be first to go. No reason to keep your third best utility infielder protected if it means leaving an actual prospect exposed, or losing a chance at a more valuable player. One would think so. But the Sox spent $8 million on 2 Leurys last year. And Phillips' aren't exactly in short supply. It's hard to believe that Robinson Leyer is up for Rule 5....he was in A ball in 2014. Must have been a really slow mover up the ladder. Sox moved him up fast last year, and to the pen if I recall, probably in anticipation of Rule 5- seeing of they could do anything with him. Even given the Sox org's enduring love for medocre veterans, I'd still think the Sox would protect a young hard thrower over Phillips.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 06:36 AM) Dan Hayes is suggesting we'd lose our comp pick from Shark if we signed a free agent that received a QO. Anyone know if this is true? And he's correct. Another reason the Sox shouldn't sign a FA with a QO. There are few who fit in our price range anyway.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 12:52 PM) I don't agree with that opinion, but this article clearly doesn't reflect his RECOMMENDATIONS, instead they reflect his GUESSES. Edit: Wow typos I wasn't speaking of this article per se. Check out his chats.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:30 AM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-top-50...nt-predictions/ Cameron has the White Sox bringing back Alexei Ramirez on a 1 year deal for $6 million. He also has them signing Howie Kendrick, Chris Young (OF), Alex Avila, and Mat Latos. Absolutely not. No, No Maybe No On a side note; I didn't think anyone could be as smug as Keith Law, but Cameron smug trumps Law by a mile.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2015 -> 05:25 PM) Just using the law of averages, the Sox are due to have a guy like Engel and a few more actually break out, aren't they? Ha! One would think.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) Sanchez probably is, Saladino probably isn't. Maybe not, but just as soon let him play SS as these less than exemplary FAs.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:23 AM) They have three - Saladino, Sanchez and Leury. With Leury being far and away the weakest of the bunch in overall value. His hitting is atrocious on a special level, and frankly his defense isn't that great either. He's got more speed than either of the others, but has no other advantages. No reason to keep him. Saladino and Sanchez are starters.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 11:16 AM) Is there anywhere we can look at possible rule 5 players from other teams? For the Sox, I dont think they need to protect Leury, Kevan Smith, or Daniel Webb. I would protect Tago, Phillips, Smith, Wendelken, and Jaye. All of those guys have some use. Smith, fwiw, is our most advanced catching prospect. WEbb has had a lot of time in the majors, and he's done well at times, albeit inconsistently. And Leury certainly can be an effective utility player; he hit a little better last year as well. The Sox spent $8 million or so on 2 utility stiffs. They are going to need one of these types.

Why would any team reject a $10 Mill option, only to make a 15M QO? I know it's hard to believe it now, but Sox life will go on without Alexei. The org. will find a way to endure.

Please just let him go. Set Alexei free.

anyway here's my suggestion, which is sure to be met with applause! (Or not). Trade Eaton and Melky to the Padres for Norris, Solarte, Ross and a prospect. Trade Q to Redsox for Bradley JR, Chtistian Vasquez and prospects. 2 holes plugged (albeit no better than plugged) and a killer OF defense with 2 guys who can cover ground and Avi's arm. Need to add a power bat, although I don't know what to do about Laroche. Could eve re-sign Alexei at half price now that the other 2 clowns are gone. Saladino the utility guy.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 06:46 AM) Yeah I don't get that either. I also don't get the comp to Phegley. Norris is much better against lefties than righties. Like Phegley, there are ongoing criticisms about his D and his pitch-calling. His OPS was barely 700. And when you want to trade away a young 2B who can hit, a CF who did nothing but rake and play great D, Norris must be a hero. There can be no other explanation to pay that kind of price. Most teams would use Thompson and Micah...the sox have so little creativity and the manager so limited in skill, that they don't know what to do with them except assign Thompson as 4th OF. Both have skills well above the Sox median...find a way to use those skills. (Micah can hit; Thompson can defend and might be able to hit- at least he has so far)