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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) I don't know, but there are more quality 3B in baseball than there are quality C. Arenado? Frazier? Frazier, and his OPS There have got to be some young 3B in the upper levels that we can get for a reasonable price. just do proper scouting and evaluation this time. As for C, Pirates got their C for a bullpen pitcher. Astros got Conger for a bullpen pitcher. He basically sucks, but he sucks less than Flowers. The Sox awful OF defense hurt Samardizja, a fly ball pitcher, more than anyone. Now why the Sox were so hell bent on trading for a fly ball pitcher is another question.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 11:35 PM) So how do we improve the crap lineup? Trade the guy we took No. 1 this year plus another prospect for an MLB catcher, sign a couple free agents while really truly trying to trade Duke, Melky and LaRoche. It makes no sense to trade Q if we are trying to win anything. Absolutely not. We need the pitching depth. there are a few ML catchers who can hit anyway. Once again , trade Eaton. And if he's as good as everyone thinks he is, fantastic. That means we'll get more for him.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 03:15 PM) Sox are about to be 10 under .500. Just yesterday they were on that hot streak and were just a game under. It's taken consistently bad baseball to get to a season low of 10 under. All the Sox have to do is win 1 more and Don Ventura will have improved this team from 2015. Leadership = Progress

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 02:15 PM) Fire Robin. He's soooooo f***ing bad in all facets of the game. Cooper should walk arm in arm right there with him. He enabled Ventura. He's the one handling the pitchers...didnt' want a thing to do with EJ and now throws him 121 with expanded rosters.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 02:50 PM) Nice play by Saladino. Wouldn't mind seeing him at SS next year. His bat plays decent for the position as well. Should have played SS every day in September. but this org. as extreme little interest in developing youth.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 10:33 AM) The Sox do have a playoff caliber pitching staff. I'm amazed that a Sox fan such as yourself would use ERA to try and prove that we have an average pitching staff after having watched games in which Sox pitchers allow "earned" runs that are clearly due to defensive miscues. The Sox are 8th in pitching fWAR and 1st in starting pitching fWAR. That looks like a playoff caliber staff to me. Marginal playoff caliber using your stats. All we need is a playoff caliber offense and defense and we're right there....just this close. And of course the defensive issues are in the OF, but oh lord help anyone who suggests moving Melky and Eaton. (Yes, I know, it's all on Avi).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 27, 2015 -> 08:12 AM) I understand your aversion to veterans, but at some point you have to hold on to the young performing players. All you do is talk about flipping young players because of the boogeyman of veterans. Newsflash, veterans are on every team, even the young Cubs and the young royals and the young pirates. These other teams don't constantly flip their young players in order to acquire more, they hold on to them and build around them. That doesn't mean they shouldn't trade any young players if possible, but position players in this organization are few and far between, and now that the sox have one you want to flip him and hope that the return is equal. It probably won't be, and then the Sox will have to do something you hate to do, which is sign a veteran to plug a hole that was created for no reason. Quintana by far would generate the best return(outside of sale of course) and there is a player that is ready to step into his spot named Carlos Rodon. And what does this do? It creates opportunity for two young, homegrown players in Fulmer and Johnson. Okay - trade Quintana. No objection. But who takes Rodon's spot? Pass on rushing Fulmer (who needs to get his delivery straightened out) or Adams (who's a ways away). Of course teams have veterans. But winning teams aren't built with veterans. They plug a hole or two or provide depth. Building with vets is what the Sox tried to do and what the fans want them to do (I can't wait until Todd Frazier and Lucroy are put on the block this winter...the hero-worship will break records; and if someone mentions Longoria......). As for Eaton, I simply don't believe he plays to his offensive numbers. Thus, it would be a value trade. Thompson is a better CF than he is anyway. Okay, don't trade him for prospects. Trade him for an equivalent 3b. There's talent in this org. It needs time and the org needs more talent. You need a foundation first.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 09:32 AM) Dude, prospects flop all the time. You trade Eaton for two of them you'll be lucky to even get one that turns out as good as him in the long-run. Sure, there's a small chance you end up with a better player or both prospects work out, but the odds are incredibly low. If you're going to take that gamble, you might as well trade the rest of your assets (Sale, Quintana, & Abreu) and straight-up rebuild, because you're pushing your timeline back another year or two. Of course prospects flop. But how have those veterans worked out? Look at the playoff teams. Which built their team by looting their farm and trading for veterans? The Sox have done that for years, and it has a 100% failure rate. Young talent wins. QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 26, 2015 -> 09:32 AM) As disappointing as this season has been, we still have a playoff caliber pitching staff in place. The Sox staff is 15th in team ERA. Middle of the pack. That said, the Sox have a lot of pitching talent in the low minors....which is another reason they can trade a veteran. As for the timetable, Hahn and Williams pushed that back with their inane signing and trades for declining veterans before the foundation had been laid. (letting Cooper and Ventura run the operation hasn't helped either). As it is, my top suggestion is to trade Eaton, not a pitcher.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) Santiago being an all-star was a fluke. He's the same old wild, 100 pitches thru 5 innings Santiago. We won the trade. Agree. The Sox improved 10 games making small trades of one young player for another. I still have no idea why they reversed course of the winter of 2014 and did moves for veterans that weakened the organization. Now they can move Eaton for probably two young promising players. Like a pinhooker- buy the Yearling and flipping for multiples of value at two.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 09:54 PM) Why? Lots of blown saves. Terrible offense. Terrible defense. Terrible baserunning. Too many mental mistakes. Inconsistent execution. Lack of clear leadership and vision organizationally. All of this.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) Not only that, they had a team pass on Bryant, Samardzija turn down their offer for an extension, and got a Cy Young award guy out of nowhere for nothing. So huge breaks get them the second WC. The second WC in the AL is currently 7 games over 500. If that is what it takes for "sustained success", the White Sox have finished over 7 games over 5 times in the worst GM in the world's tenure. Other than that, it is prolonged losing. Maybe I am missing something, but during the last 3 years even when the Sox were in rebuilding mode, the gamethreads were full of whining about how bad so and so is. Rebuilding mode? This team wasn't a "rebuilding team". The braintrust put it together to compete. They got lucky on Arieta. But you make your own luck when you are willing to make trades at the deadline...eventually something pops. And Shark...well, after he turned it down, the Cubs didn't doink around, waiting until the end of July...they got aggressive an sold high. The Sox, of course, "were still in it". The Cubs also don't mind sending fallen heroes on their way. The Sox get apoplectic at the mere thought of such a thing.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 08:18 AM) You just contradicted yourself. Is he a keeper or not? No contradiction. He's a "keeper" in the sense that he's a decent baseball player. I hope the Sox trade him because he's not as good as his numbers, he'd return value and you can't build a team trading prospects only. Trayce Thompson is a building block and should be our CF next year. But Robbie boy keeps wheeling out Melky, Alexei and Eaton day after day after day.

Eaton has good numbers. Indeed he is a keeper…One that I hope that the Sox trade.

I don't think it matters whether they are in the top 10 or not. they don't need to chase FAs. They need to stockpile young talent.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) Montas is fine. what is f***ing alarming is Avi Garcia. An ISO of 108 and an OPS of 677? From a horrible RF? I've defended him all season but I'm done. I'm not even sure it's worth giving him 600 PA next season. And how do the $17 million dollar man's numbers stack up?

QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 11:54 PM) Nothing at all wrong with "Clowning" (and I don't mean that as a pun to my avatar). I want more players who are out there having fun and helping keep the team loose. Look at KC, that team is full of clowns. San Fran has a lot of fun. The Boston team that won the WS the year after losing 90 games. The Tigers with Muggy. I suppose I understand people thinking they shouldn't be "clowning" when the team is doing so bad, but c'mon. They're out there 162 days hanging your head and mopping (and not being yourself) is not the way to do it. Send in the Clowns. Clowning is taking bad reads in the OF. running the bases poorly, playing lousy defense. Making mental mistakes. It's no surprise that Melky was quoted the other day saying he thought Ventura is a great manager and he loved playing for him. Ventura has coddled veteran clowning for his entire tenure. (the young players better not clown) I substantively agree with Balta's plan, although I would be a little more aggressive in seeing what's out there for Sale or Quintana.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 12:51 PM) This would be a terrible move from Samardzija's side. If he has a QO attached to him it will cost him a lot of money as a free agent compared to if he has no QO attached to him. Could even keep him from being signed at all until mid-June. Yep. The best thing that could happen shark is to get the QO off of his back.I think he realized that in July. It certainly looked to me at that time he was pitching with 150% effort. And then he collapsed. He probably also realized in July that he had no future with the White Sox because of his relationship with Cooper. Certainly wouldn't surprise me if he reverts to his career form: a number three starter that people hero worshiped the discarded Cub into an ace. They will give him the QO. Whether the Sox end up with a comp pick is to be determined.

QUOTE (bjm676 @ Sep 16, 2015 -> 10:13 AM) get rid of the following - Daniel Webb Avisail Garcia MIke Olt Tyler Flowers Micah Johnson None are MLB caliber players. Flame on... Micah, Garcia and possibly Webb are. Now Cooper and Ventura jettisoned Micah in May, despite him being the 2nd to best hitter on the team at the time, and the opinions of those 2 luminaries at talent evaluation will probably be honored. Avi is hitting about the same as Melky, with less clowning.

Cespedes is just what KW ordered: low OBP off of a career year. I would consider trading Eaton. He's a clown, but his stats are good and should yield a couple of good players. Trayce can play CF (better than Eaton can).

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 10:41 PM) Holland blows it in the 12th. Sox are 1 game from the Tigers--which is good. Top 10 will just give the Sox more incentive to sign some mid-tier "proven veteran" FA. Oh, what am I saying....they'll do it anyway, protected or not. Just 1 or 2 players away, you know.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 08:41 PM) Webb just isn't very good unfortunately. Could be a change of scenery guy that gets him to throw his hardest and hope for the best Maybe a different pitching coach on the Sox would be sufficient change of scenery.

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 08:33 PM) Aces pitch deep into games, and they don't get shut down. The pitch deep into games when they need to. Ventura and Cooper are coaching scared...major scared.

116 pitches for Sale in garbage time. Don Ventura are a real piece of work.

Sale should have been shelved 2 weeks ago. Most of the usual suspect in the lineup. This is not "young player friendly" organization, especially with Cooper and Ventura in the dugout. But I'm sure glad Melky loves Robbie as manager.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 05:25 PM) You disagree? The Sox scouting of major league players on other teams seems just awful. Only thing worse was season 2 of True Detective Agree