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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 09:48 AM) Except for Rick Hahn... True He just extended his 99 loss manager. Hahn could have distanced himself from this operation. Jerry Dipoto did from the Angels. Hahn has chosen not to. He's part of it. i hope they are saying that just as cover for an off-season in which they are trying to build up the depth of young player talent.

2012? That was Youkilis. He was terrific for us.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 03:44 PM) It's 3 years of Hanley and you missed the part where the Red Sox pay a significant part of his salary. There is some dollar amount at which this is a worthwhile gamble for the Sox. Either way it's an infinitely smarter move than Todd Frazier. Well, I agree that Todd Frazier would not be a smart play. It might be a decent play w/ money IF Henley could play defense.

The best part is, that while the Sox lose Laroche after 2016, they'd get 4 years of Hanley, at only twice Laroche's salary!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 08:35 AM) Which tells me that Ventura isn't as secure as the torch bearers want to believe. It's interesting. Alomar's resume doesn't really leap out to me as "ready to be a manager." Which is okay - he could learn on the job managing for Ventura while Ventura keeps the clubhouse wholesome. It would be good experience for Alomar's career, with the Sox or elsewhere. I've heard names like Acta mentioned - but he's a vetted, experienced manager, which could really cause Ventura to look over his shoulder. While I don't think Ventura knows what he's doing, having someone looking over your shoulder and wanting your job isn't healthy either. I like the Alomar approach.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Oct 9, 2015 -> 07:33 PM) Arrieta was trash with Baltimore. Cubs lucked out like the Sox did with Quintana. And Shark was merely a result of good timing for the Cubs (and luck that he didn't accept their $80 mil offer). While tanking for 5 years straight, they had an above average starter primed to get a huge free agent payday just before they were about to start getting good. I agree on Arrieta. But you make your own luck sometimes. Get rid of mediocre parts for prospects, and you will hit oil eventually. There's little downside - because while Arrieta was trash, so was the player they traded for him. The Sox best moves under the Williams regime have always been the little doinky trades. Credit the Cubs for timing. He was in the midst of a career year and they made an affirmative effort to set the market -move him before the Prices et al got moved. And they did. The Sox then bought that career year. The market for Shark this year would have been pretty salty had the Sox done similar and moved him after that shutout of the Blue Jays before the All Star break. His value was never going to get higher. But the Sox didn't. Luck? Sure. But the more intelligent moves you make, the luckier you get.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 9, 2015 -> 08:20 PM) They did hold onto Thornton too long, They did hold onto him too long. Should have traded him after his career year...but the Sox buy career years, they don't sell them. And then they didn't hold onto him too long - they couldn't wait to get rid of him in 2013 and basically gave him away for a Rule 5 eligible prospect. He's still an effective ML pitcher.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Oct 9, 2015 -> 06:35 PM) A couple people have mentioned this. Who the hell did the Cubs get? Who did they get for: Geo Soto Derek Lee Alfonso Soriano Aramis Ramirez Marlon Byrd Ryan Dempster Carlos Zambrano Matt Garza That list is about like the Sox list - expiring contract, declining veterans. Yet still, aside from a couple of still promising prospects, they got one of the best pitchers in the NL and a stud young SS in their sell-offs. Tell me, where would they be without those 2? But Kenny and Rick showed 'em how dumb they were trading the Shark.

Sox didn't have much to trade. Peavy was really it. Perhaps we sold light with Rios. Astros got very little from their breakup, and they had a lot more to trade than the Sox did, including an in his prime Hunter Pence. They seem to have made out okay. The Cubs, however, did phenomenally well.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 04:35 PM) I don't see Montas helping the Sox in '16 either, especially as a starter. I think he could definitely help in the pen. Like to see him start for another year though.

The Cubs got a lot from the sell-offs. But the Astros got very little from theirs. But the Astros drafted like maniacs. A ton of depth and not just from the top picks. Both of those teams have far more major league depth than the Sox. Part of that is that they know how to utilize limited and imperfect players.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 09:06 AM) I'd be careful saying Thompson is "much better defensively", this early in his career, as a CF. Also, trading Eaton is removing one of the only two positives in the lineup this year, really. Trading him for Thompson will be a significant overall downgrade, probably. Thompson makes a lot more sense to replace Avisail than Eaton. Well, it's not like I suggested giving Eaton away. Bring a 3B and/or C in for him. How then are the Sox going to get better? You have to trade something to get something. I think Trayce is miles better than Eaton defensively (a lot of that is because Eaton isn't particularly good defensively). I also don't know why people are so down on Avisail, yet say nothing about Melky. Huge age differential, salary differential. Both are poor defensively (although Avi had more assists). While Melky out-hit Avi, he still was below par offensively.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 09:47 AM) The person suggesting trading Eaton, ripped Ventura for playing him, saying he's not as good as his numbers. Now , trading him is supposed to net a 3B and a catcher. That's living in fantasyland. Wrong. I ripped him for not sitting him in September and letting Trayce play - although I didn't really rip on that. I ripped far more on playing the "elite" Melky Cabrera day after day. Never said Eaton couldn't produce. He hit c. .857 OPS after his first month. That will bring value. Which should be the idea. Although some prefer idols. But don't worry. Eaton will be back. Far greater chance of Trayce being packaged for a declining veteran than for EAton being traded for young talent.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 05:40 PM) Trade Danks to Dodgers for Van Slyke and a low level minor leaguer Trade Micah, Beck, Avi, and Danish for Todd Frazier and JJ Hoover That would be a steal for Van Slyke. I fully expect some major hero worship on Todd Frazier this fall and winter. And the Reds will probably have him on the block. The reality is that, despite(or perhaps because of) his performance in the HR Derby, his 2nd half OPS was a dreadful c. .670. Not that I suspect this to dissuade the Sox: bad 2nd half splits never have before. He's also a bad defender (much worse than his metrics suggest). And if the Sox get him (and I dearly hope they don't), they'll pay more than you suggest for 2 years of his greatness.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 10:38 AM) The fact that they are not blaming the manager means they are blaming the players. I expect a very active winter for the White Sox. How are they going to move bad players and get anything in return? They can start with letting Alexei walk, although that won't be easy, as absurdly sentimental as this organization is. Otherwise, the bad players are the vets the acquired last year. go young, please.

I have no objection if the Sox keep Shuck around. I think they need to take a step back anyway.

Don Ventura pretty clearly didn't like Guerra. They barely pitched him when he was up.

QUOTE (Big Hurtin @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 09:15 PM) I don't like the idea of Eaton in left. This team is power-starved enough as it is. They really need a slugger in LF. and thus Eaton should be traded. Sox could get a young third baseman and catcher for him. He and Trayce play the same position. Trayce is much better defensively.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 08:30 PM) Although, from a marketing persoective, Puig would at least stabilize the expected 20-25% dropoff in renewals after this season. You bring back the entire roster pretty much as is, along with Ventura, amd it could get as ugly as 30% lost. It's ridiculous for the Sox to make moves based on that. Yet, they are correct in one sense. This is a hero-worshiping fanbase. It's like they think one player can add 10+ wins to the ledger.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 05:49 PM) With Eaton having surgery on his throwing shoulder? Do you see him switching to the corner? I think trayce won the cf job for next year. The sox simply need to improve their defense. I can't see this not happening No 50/50 he's even back next year. Sox will do some major hero-worshiping in the offseason in a ridiculous attempt to counteract fan disinterest. Career years, veterans who made all star teams 2 years ago...come on down. it sold tickets last year, so double down this year. Todd Frazier and maybe even....Longoria. Elite! He was a sportscenter mainstay 3 years ago!! Put the package together now!

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 04:56 PM) Maybe Alexeis last ab. I certainly hope so.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 04:08 PM) With a top 10 first round pick and a comp pick for Shark this is a good year to go after a Heyward type player. No it isn't. you do that when you are ready to win. This is a good year to have 2 nice draft choices, for a team that desperately needs them.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 03:48 PM) If the Sox end up with the 11th pick after today this will probably be the most disappointing season I've ever witnessed in my time as a fan. The Sox have no business going after QO free agents anyway.

Nothing like a scapegoat. Must have been Parent who was overpitching Sale and who leaves Danks in game after game at least until he's pitched the Sox out of the game.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 07:26 AM) Would love to add a guy with previous manager experience to help Robin with the in-game stuff. After 3 seasons, you'd think he would learn some things... And then, what would Cooper do. Go back to just being pitching coach? Not a bad idea. He sure as heck can manage pitchers in-game.